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December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Thursday, 6 December 2012 at 19:43:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:
> "Rob T" <rob@ucora.com> wrote:
>> Many ISP's have dropped usenet services completely,
>
> Doesn't matter since we use a dedicated server

If memory serves, I need an address to the dedicated server, and 
I need to know where in the hierarchy this newsgroups sits.

Maybe there are instructions buried away somewhere, but I didn't 
see them.

> Also: http://www.eternal-september.org/

I searched for "programming", "dlang" and a few other terms, but 
no luck finding this newsgroup.

At this point, I'm still stuck with the web interface, and I'm 
having trouble reading and posting again.

Just got one of these ...

Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET 
/thread/jkwrcdrrwbbxmazoqhkk@forum.dlang.org.

Reason: Error reading from remote server

Apache Server at forum.dlang.org Port 80

--rt
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On 2012-43-07 03:12, Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com>  
wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:06:22 -0600
> 1100110 <0b1100110@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/06/2012 03:29 PM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
>> > Formatting of text... If ever I meet the person who decided HTML in
>> > email was a good idea, I'll make sure he will stay away from
>> > computers until long after he's dead.
>>
>> If *I* ever meet him I'll send him your way.
>
> http://www.jwz.org/about.html
>
> Check the "1995" entry on that page.

At least he seems to regret it.

-- 
Simen
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On 12/7/2012 6:21 PM, Rob T wrote:
> Maybe there are instructions buried away somewhere, but I didn't see them.

http://www.digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Friday, December 07, 2012 21:59:56 Walter Bright wrote:
> On 12/7/2012 6:21 PM, Rob T wrote:
> > Maybe there are instructions buried away somewhere, but I didn't see them.
> 
> http://www.digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html

We might to want to do something at dlang.org or forum.dlang.org to make it 
clear that there are multiple ways to access the newsgroups. We get threads 
like this in part because new people find forum.dlang.org and have no idea that 
the other interfaces ever exist or that we use nntp on the backend. It's also 
unlikely that very many people are going to stumble on the page that you 
linked at this point, because most of them will probably just be visiting 
dlang.org rather than digitalmars.org, so only those who have been around 
longer or who find out about it from discussions like this are going to know 
about the other interfaces or how to access them.

- Jonathan M Davis
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Friday, 7 December 2012 at 16:19:39 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
> We might to want to do something at dlang.org or 
> forum.dlang.org to make it
> clear that there are multiple ways to access the newsgroups.

An »Also via« column was recently added to the group list on 
forum.dlang.org.

David
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Friday, December 07, 2012 17:22:19 David Nadlinger wrote:
> On Friday, 7 December 2012 at 16:19:39 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
> 
> wrote:
> > We might to want to do something at dlang.org or
> > forum.dlang.org to make it
> > clear that there are multiple ways to access the newsgroups.
> 
> An »Also via« column was recently added to the group list on
> forum.dlang.org.

So, it was. I never noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

- Jonathan M Davis
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:21:06 +0100
"Rob T" <rob@ucora.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 6 December 2012 at 19:43:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
> wrote:
> > "Rob T" <rob@ucora.com> wrote:
> >> Many ISP's have dropped usenet services completely,
> >
> > Doesn't matter since we use a dedicated server
> 
> If memory serves, I need an address to the dedicated server,

news.digitalmars.com

DNS will automatically find the actual IP address. So it's really
very, very simple: Just create a new NNTP account in your favorite
NNTP client, set the server to "news.digitalmars.com", and that's it:
you should be good. That's all anyone needs to worry about.

> and 
> I need to know where in the hierarchy this newsgroups sits.
> 

You don't really need to know that, but here's the answer FWIW:

It sits as the single, only node in a completely separate "hierarchy".

FWIW, vibe.d's NG server works the same way, AIUI.

> Maybe there are instructions buried away somewhere, but I didn't 
> see them.
> 

See Walter's reply.

> > Also: http://www.eternal-september.org/
> 
> I searched for "programming", "dlang" and a few other terms, but 
> no luck finding this newsgroup.
> 
> At this point, I'm still stuck with the web interface.
> 

Sorry, I wasn't clear about that: When I mentioned
eternal-september.org I wasn't talking about D's NG, I was only talking
about the other "typical" Usenet channels (or whatever they're called).

Ie, if you want to use some "normal" NG like "comp.lang.c++" or
"alt.whatever", and your ISP doesn't provide a Usenet server (or you
don't know/care what your ISPs Usenet server is), then you can just use
eternal-september.org (one you register an account there).

BUT, since D's NG exists completely *outside* the standard Usenet, it's
not available at eternal-september.org (Fortunately though, it
doesn't need to be there since you can always just connect directly to
news.digitalmars.com regardless of your ISP).

I only mentioned eternal-september.org as a response to "Many ISP's
have dropped usenet services completely". I didn't mean it as having
anything to do with D's NG.
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 02:43:15PM -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
[...]
> Also: http://www.eternal-september.org/
[...]

That name cracks me up. :)

Ironically enough, that was the very September that I started my first
year in college, which also meant the first time I was exposed to a Unix
system and the early Internet. Yet I identify myself more with the
old-timers before my time than with my apparent contemporaries when it
comes to netiquette, etc..


T

-- 
It is of the new things that men tire --- of fashions and proposals and
improvements and change. It is the old things that startle and
intoxicate. It is the old things that are young. -- G.K. Chesterton
December 07, 2012
Re: Better forum
On Friday, 7 December 2012 at 16:19:39 UTC, Jonathan M Davis 
wrote:
> On Friday, December 07, 2012 21:59:56 Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 12/7/2012 6:21 PM, Rob T wrote:
>> > Maybe there are instructions buried away somewhere, but I 
>> > didn't see them.
>> 
>> http://www.digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html
>
> We might to want to do something at dlang.org or 
> forum.dlang.org to make it
> clear that there are multiple ways to access the newsgroups. We 
> get threads
> like this in part because new people find forum.dlang.org and 
> have no idea that
> the other interfaces ever exist or that we use nntp on the 
> backend. It's also
> unlikely that very many people are going to stumble on the page 
> that you
> linked at this point, because most of them will probably just 
> be visiting
> dlang.org rather than digitalmars.org, so only those who have 
> been around
> longer or who find out about it from discussions like this are 
> going to know
> about the other interfaces or how to access them.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

Agreed, that's exactly what has happened to me. Dlang.org seemed 
to be the main place to be with no reason to look elsewhere, and 
I thought for a long time that the forum.dlang.org was supposed 
to be a typical web forum, and not an nntp web interface.

I'd like to thank everyone for the detailed replies on how to 
connect with a newsreader.

I'll part this subject line with a suggestion that you listen 
carefully to what new people are complaining about, often it's 
just reality from what outsiders are seeing, and it cannot hurt 
to try and make things look better and work better to accommodate 
that perspective.

To the guys who have been here forever, it is easy to forget that 
new people do not know what you already know, and when looking in 
from a different perspective and set of experiences, they will 
often see things far differently than what you may be seeing. 
They may also get frustrated and speak out in the wrong way at 
times.

Of course I do realize this whole effort is run by volunteers, so 
when I try and inform you about something that I don't think is 
right, it's only because I like what I see and want to see it get 
better, if I did not care I would not be posting at all. The 
other guys who are complaining about stuff are probably the same 
as me, they care enough to point it out.

People complaining is actually a good nuisance to have.

Thanks for the effort you guys are putting into D!

--rt
December 08, 2012
Re: Better forum
On 12/07/2012 11:29 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:21:06 +0100
> "Rob T"<rob@ucora.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 6 December 2012 at 19:43:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
>> wrote:
>>> "Rob T"<rob@ucora.com>  wrote:
>>>> Many ISP's have dropped usenet services completely,
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter since we use a dedicated server
>>
>> If memory serves, I need an address to the dedicated server,
>
> news.digitalmars.com

simply digitalmars.com works on Opera and ThunderBird.

I don't know if that was on purpose, or just a happy side-effect.
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