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http://sioux.eu/en/hot-or-not/d-programming-language.html

Andrei

Andrei Alexandrescu:

> http://sioux.eu/en/hot-or-not/d-programming-language.html

At page 90 of the slides there is:

> Coming Soon
>...
> Classic example: NonNull!(T)

We'll use it to see if it's good enough (and if for it some shorter syntax sugar is needed).


> Validated data: Validated!(T)

What's this?

Maybe someone of the D community is willing to prettify Walter slides before he does the talks. I think this will help give D endavour and community a bit more professional/refined look.

Bye,
bearophile

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:45:03 -0400
Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:

> Voted hot!
> 
> http://sioux.eu/en/hot-or-not/d-programming-language.html
> 
> Andrei

That's an excellent set of slides. It'll be great to pass along next time I want to point out to someone what's great about D.

I thought default was @safe, but the slides say it's @system... is that a typo or have I been mistaken this entire time?

On Friday, August 24, 2012 02:40:51 F i L wrote:
> I thought default was @safe, but the slides say it's @system... is that a typo or have I been mistaken this entire time?

You've been mistaken. @system is the default.

If we could go back in time and redo things, we'd probably do stuff like make pure and @safe the default, but it's far too late now.

- Jonathan M Davis

Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> You've been mistaken. @system is the default.
>
> If we could go back in time and redo things, we'd probably do stuff like make
> pure and @safe the default, but it's far too late now.

Okay, thanks for the info. I have a feeling that D3 will truly be the "golden age" and point of mass adoption of the D programming language.

On Friday, August 24, 2012 03:27:47 F i L wrote:
> Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > You've been mistaken. @system is the default.
> > 
> > If we could go back in time and redo things, we'd probably do
> > stuff like make
> > pure and @safe the default, but it's far too late now.
> 
> Okay, thanks for the info. I have a feeling that D3 will truly be the "golden age" and point of mass adoption of the D programming language.

Well, since it'll be years before we even consider creating D3, we're in trouble if we need D3 for D to be successful. D2 isn't perfect, but it's still a very solid language and outshines more entrenched languages on a number of levels. I'd expect that its lack of adoption is primarily a marketing issue.

- Jonathan M Davis

Jonathan M Davis:

> I'd expect that its lack of adoption is primarily a marketing issue.

For people to adopt D there are factors more important than marketing: lack of tools, vendors support, libraries, schools and courses, the presence of competing languages, people that don't want to learn another language, unwillingness in betting in a language created by a little group of people, frequency of bugs in D/compiler, unfinished feel of some part of the language, lack of lot of stuff in Phobos, etc.

Bye,
bearophile

Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> Well, since it'll be years before we even consider creating D3, we're in
> trouble if we need D3 for D to be successful. D2 isn't perfect, but it's still
> a very solid language and outshines more entrenched languages on a number of
> levels. I'd expect that its lack of adoption is primarily a marketing issue.

I think you misunderstand my intent. D2 will carry D to far reaches, and is a very usable, and now stable language; and I know D3 won't come for years. That said, there are language issues that, as you put, simply can't be addressed in D2 because they're not worth the effort required to fix them. I only meant that I think once D3 does come around, and it's *perfect*, that others simply wont be able to resist it and it will truly be adopted on a mass scale.

On 8/23/2012 2:54 PM, bearophile wrote:
> Maybe someone of the D community is willing to prettify Walter slides before he
> does the talks. I think this will help give D endavour and community a bit more
> professional/refined look.

I like the plain jane look, and do not think it is unprofessional.