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Andrei

Slides seem to be missing from http://dconf.org/2013/talks/alexandrescu.pdf; I get a 404.

On 6/24/13 9:19 AM, David Gileadi wrote:
> Slides seem to be missing from
> http://dconf.org/2013/talks/alexandrescu.pdf; I get a 404.

I posted too soon; they're there now.  Sorry for the noise.

This may be completely ridiculous - I'm a newcomer - please destroy me gently.

So, the idea is to make dlang.org a fundation. Here are some possible benefits of doing this:
-You get more people to "own" the language and therefore seriously care about it's future development.
--Two people are not enough.
---What if someone gets hit by a bus?
---Delegate some administrative tasks to other people, so you can focus on improving things
--Programmers are not all what's needed(the ability to write xml parser doesn't make you a good webdev)
---Get a real webdesigner involved
---Someone to do proffessional PR and advertising
---An admin to maintain all these things
-You could start taking donations and hire some people to work on D.
--Like for example, you could pay for a proffessional "enterprise'y" webdesign for dlang.org.
--Companies want to donate to support tools they're using
--Funding for DSoC
-You'd get more interest from companies
--Managers run companies, not programmers, github is not a collaboration for managers
--Increase in trust, things are formal and transparent, not done behind the scenes
--They may want to put a part-time developer to work on a compiler for example
---Much easier with a formal institution, where the dev would actually have something to say and can get things done

There are obviously some issues, like the design by comitee problem and possibly others. Still, python, perl, haskell and others have foundations. That's probably why those are much better @ operational proffessionalism.

On 25/06/13 02:13, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> reddit:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gz40q/dconf_2013_closing_keynote_quo_vadis_by_andrei/
>
>
> facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/662488747098143
>
> twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/349197737805373441
>
> hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5933818
>
> youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4M-0LFBP9AU
>
>
> Andrei

Can you think of a better name than "D Summer Of Code"?  It's very northern hemisphere centric and makes us southerners feel like the rest of the world doesn't know there is a southern hemisphere (or if they do that they don't know the seasons work) :-).

Peter

On Tuesday, 25 June 2013 at 04:34:02 UTC, QAston wrote:
> This may be completely ridiculous - I'm a newcomer - please destroy me gently.
>
> So, the idea is to make dlang.org a fundation. Here are some possible benefits of doing this:
> -You get more people to "own" the language and therefore seriously care about it's future development.
> --Two people are not enough.
> ---What if someone gets hit by a bus?
> ---Delegate some administrative tasks to other people, so you can focus on improving things
> --Programmers are not all what's needed(the ability to write xml parser doesn't make you a good webdev)
> ---Get a real webdesigner involved
> ---Someone to do proffessional PR and advertising
> ---An admin to maintain all these things
> -You could start taking donations and hire some people to work on D.
> --Like for example, you could pay for a proffessional "enterprise'y" webdesign for dlang.org.
> --Companies want to donate to support tools they're using
> --Funding for DSoC
> -You'd get more interest from companies
> --Managers run companies, not programmers, github is not a collaboration for managers
> --Increase in trust, things are formal and transparent, not done behind the scenes
> --They may want to put a part-time developer to work on a compiler for example
> ---Much easier with a formal institution, where the dev would actually have something to say and can get things done
>
> There are obviously some issues, like the design by comitee problem and possibly others. Still, python, perl, haskell and others have foundations. That's probably why those are much better @ operational proffessionalism.

Note: I don't want to do a cargo-cult here - simple registering doesn't do magic, yet it's a valid consideration i think, especially if it may help solving some problems pointed out by Andrei.

On Tuesday, 25 June 2013 at 05:57:30 UTC, Peter Williams wrote:

>
> Can you think of a better name than "D Summer Of Code"?  It's very northern hemisphere centric and makes us southerners feel like the rest of the world doesn't know there is a southern hemisphere (or if they do that they don't know the seasons work) :-).
>
> Peter

D Season of Code! Then we don't have to restrict ourselves to one time of the year.

I'm a Danish guy so there is a at least one dane using D :)

/Jonas

Peter Williams, el 25 de June a las 15:57 me escribiste:
> On 25/06/13 02:13, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> >reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gz40q/dconf_2013_closing_keynote_quo_vadis_by_andrei/
> >
> >
> >facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/662488747098143
> >
> >twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/349197737805373441
> >
> >hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5933818
> >
> >youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4M-0LFBP9AU
> >
> >
> >Andrei
> 
> Can you think of a better name than "D Summer Of Code"?  It's very northern hemisphere centric and makes us southerners feel like the rest of the world doesn't know there is a southern hemisphere (or if they do that they don't know the seasons work) :-).

Or they know, but they just don't give a fuck :)

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Just finished watching Andrei's talk, it was up to his usual high standard.

I found the bits about professionalism a bit weird though: can we really expect that from a volunteer effort?  I'm pretty sure the A/V guys at the conference weren't volunteers, ie they were paid.

Along the line that QAston started, if you want more professionalism, is there any interest in producing a commercial D compiler?  If not, why not?  I notice that Walter sells C and C++ compilers and source on digitalmars.com, but strangely not D.  There are interesting business/source models nowadays where you can be mostly open source and still sell a commercial product.

For example, Walter has often talked about optimizations in the compiler that he'd like to get to.  There could be two compilers: one where the source is fully publicly available, another made available to paying users, which has additional optimizations done either by Walter or others who he supervises, but the source for those optimizations would not be available publicly, though perhaps made available only to the buyers under a non-OSS license.  After enough time has passed for the optimization work to be paid for, the optimization patches would eventually be merged into the slower, non-paid version.  Android uses a similar hybrid model, which has obviously been enormously successful.

Another possibility is a bounty system, where users pledge money towards needed features or bug fixes.  It'd basically be a more distributed version of the hybrid approach I've outlined.

I wonder what the response would be to injecting some money and commercialism into the D ecosystem.