August 03, 2011
Jimmy Cao wrote:

> 2011/8/2 so <so@so.so>
> 
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:51:56 +0300, Brad Roberts < braddr@slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I don't think that any gui library belongs in phobos because there's
>>> essentially no agreement about what cross-platform library is standard. Pick any random 10 gui developers about what library they used (assuming they do anything cross-platform) and you'll get more than 1 answer.  I'd be shocked if you get a clear enough majority to suggest 1 that'd make a big set of people happy.
>>>
>>> Sorry, the gui library landscape just doesn't approach being obvious enough to be in the standard library.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>> I agree, GUIs (and other huge libraries that everyone has their own
>> favorite) don't belong standard library. Other languages get away with it
>> because they are either platform themselves or support only one platform.
>> Another reason not to include them to the standard library, remember
>> phobos has rules (we might need to change many things).
>> But if we have something small, simple and cross-platform somewhere, why
>> not!
>>
> 
> If a GUI library were included in Phobos, that would make D a much better competitor against C#.  That's why I hope such an inclusion would be possible in the future.  I see why it might not be possible, though.

I really doubt that. You don't get to really compete with C# until D runs on .NET and perhaps even until microsoft adopts it. I don't think a standard gui lib will make any difference.



August 03, 2011
Brad Roberts wrote:

> On Monday, August 01, 2011 7:31:13 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 8/1/11 7:51 PM, Brad Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think that any gui library belongs in phobos because there's essentially no agreement about what cross-platform library is standard.
>> 
>> Python has something and as far as I can tell people are fine with that.
>> 
>> Andrei
> 
> It has something _in the base library_?  It has wrappers for all/most of the popular libraries?  The standard distributions install some combination of those?
> 
> I don't use python so I'm ill equipped to discuss, but my guess is that it's not the first but rather the last.

It only has a wrapper for the Tkinter (from Tcl/Tk). I don't think a lot of people use it for serious stuff, it's kinda ancient. A lot of people use the Qt bindings though - these are not in the standard library.
August 03, 2011
On 2011-08-02 19:58, Jimmy Cao wrote:
> You're right, it's probably not that important.
> I guess it's most important that a cross-platform GUI library can simply
> be easily installed and set up (with some sort of D package manager).

I think that would make most sense.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
August 03, 2011
On 2011-08-02 21:48, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 8/1/2011 5:51 PM, Brad Roberts wrote:
>> I don't think that any gui library belongs in phobos because there's
>> essentially no agreement about what cross-platform library is standard.
>> Pick any random 10 gui developers about what library they used (assuming
>> they do anything cross-platform) and you'll get more than 1 answer. I'd
>> be shocked if you get a clear enough majority to suggest 1 that'd make a
>> big set of people happy.
>>
>> Sorry, the gui library landscape just doesn't approach being obvious
>> enough to be in the standard library.
>
>
> Also, remember, we did try to endorse a standard gui library for D a
> while back. It was a disaster on every front.

Yes, that was very unfortunate that basically when you announced DWT (the old one) as the standard GUI library the development stopped.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
August 03, 2011
On 2011-08-02 21:57, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Jacob Carlborg"<doob@me.com>  wrote in message
> news:j18dfe$20rj$1@digitalmars.com...
>>
>> Windows and Linux (GTK) 32bit. I'm in the middle of porting the Mac OS X
>> version. These are the platforms that SWT supports:
>>
>> Windows 32/64bit
>> Windows CE
>> Linux 32/64bit and PPC64
>> Solaris 10 x86 and Sparc
>> HPUX IA64_32
>> AIX PPC/64
>> Mac OS X 32/64bit
>>
>
> It does Solaris, HPUX, and AIX, but not BSD??

I'm just listing was officially supported with binary releases. I don't see a reason why GTK on BSD wouldn't work.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
August 03, 2011
On 2011-08-02 22:01, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Alex Rønne Petersen"<xtzgzorex@gmail.com>  wrote in message
> news:j19d45$pt5$1@digitalmars.com...
>> On 02-08-2011 18:44, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>>
>>> Some kind of console library to easy handle input from a user,
>>> displaying progress bars, outputting text in different colors and
>>> similar.
>>>
>> Perhaps a curses binding of some sort?
>>
>
> Maybe for linux, but it should be cross-platform and therefore use the Win
> API for that stuff on Windows. (For some bizarre reason, ANSI display
> support was removed from approx Win2k onward.)

Actually when I think about it I've written a simple library like that in C++ for a school project. I wonder if I still have it somewhere.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
August 03, 2011
On Aug 3, 11 13:53, Lutger Blijdestijn wrote:
> Jimmy Cao wrote:
>
>> 2011/8/2 so<so@so.so>
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:51:56 +0300, Brad Roberts<
>>> braddr@slice-2.puremagic.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>   I don't think that any gui library belongs in phobos because there's
>>>> essentially no agreement about what cross-platform library is standard.
>>>> Pick any random 10 gui developers about what library they used (assuming
>>>> they do anything cross-platform) and you'll get more than 1 answer.  I'd
>>>> be shocked if you get a clear enough majority to suggest 1 that'd make a
>>>> big set of people happy.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, the gui library landscape just doesn't approach being obvious
>>>> enough to be in the standard library.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I agree, GUIs (and other huge libraries that everyone has their own
>>> favorite) don't belong standard library. Other languages get away with it
>>> because they are either platform themselves or support only one platform.
>>> Another reason not to include them to the standard library, remember
>>> phobos has rules (we might need to change many things).
>>> But if we have something small, simple and cross-platform somewhere, why
>>> not!
>>>
>>
>> If a GUI library were included in Phobos, that would make D a much better
>> competitor against C#.  That's why I hope such an inclusion would be
>> possible in the future.  I see why it might not be possible, though.
>
> I really doubt that. You don't get to really compete with C# until D runs on
> .NET and perhaps even until microsoft adopts it. I don't think a standard
> gui lib will make any difference.
>

There was a D.net (which seems no longer updated), and when D runs on .NET, the language can use all .NET libraries like WinForms and WPF immediately, and there's no need to have another GUI lib.

(And why D needs to compete against C#?)
August 03, 2011
There's pdcurses which apparently works on Windows. It's public domain. I'm not sure if this is the one that supports ASCII escape codes though. And I haven't tested it.

Home: http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/
Binaries: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/pdcurses.htm
August 03, 2011
This is interesting:

http://openil.sourceforge.net/

In particular that news post from 2010. Apparently the author might consider changing the license if there's interest in it.
August 04, 2011
On 2-8-2011 4:48, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> I've been thinking about a minimalist drawing library for
> phobos - just basic 2d stuff, but with easy enough hooks to
> add more (native api events and handles.

+1

I'd very much like to see this implemented.
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