On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 11:35:30 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> "They" as singular feels weird tho, but maybe it is related to the archaic "thou" and "thee"? We had the same in norwegian ~60 years ago. "De" (they) was used as singular towards strangers and "du" (you) was used with people you were familiar with. Then you could claim to be "dus" (friendly) with people you knew (referring to the fact that you use "du" when adressing them). Kinda like german "Sie".

"Hey, you see that person over there? What are they doing? Is that their big red stuffed dinosaur?"

"A person came in to the shop today and the entire time they just keept asking for corks, we sell paint..."

"I am going to wear this big pink sombrero and if anyone has a problem with it, well they can just suckit"

Just as a few examples of gender neutral singular they/their.

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:02:35 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
> "Hey, you see that person over there? What are they doing? Is that their big red stuffed dinosaur?"
>
> "A person came in to the shop today and the entire time they just keept asking for corks, we sell paint..."
>
> "I am going to wear this big pink sombrero and if anyone has a problem with it, well they can just suckit"
>
> Just as a few examples of gender neutral singular they/their.

But I am thinking more of the origin, that plural form perhaps signifies distance?

Is the following wrong? (I wouldn't know, but it looks wrong to me.)

"My friend came in to the shop today and the entire time they just kept asking for corks..."

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:19:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:02:35 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
>> "Hey, you see that person over there? What are they doing? Is that their big red stuffed dinosaur?"
>>
>> "A person came in to the shop today and the entire time they just keept asking for corks, we sell paint..."
>>
>> "I am going to wear this big pink sombrero and if anyone has a problem with it, well they can just suckit"
>>
>> Just as a few examples of gender neutral singular they/their.
>
> But I am thinking more of the origin, that plural form perhaps signifies distance?
>
> Is the following wrong? (I wouldn't know, but it looks wrong to me.)
>
> "My friend came in to the shop today and the entire time they just kept asking for corks..."

For me that sounds 100% fine...

On 06/11/2015 06:35 PM, deadalnix wrote:
> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:44:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:14:24 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
>>> https://youtu.be/VjNVPO8ff84 :3
>>> https://youtu.be/bJDY5zTiWUk maybe this too(?)
>>

Never heard those before, those are really good!

Some of my favorite 80's-ish sounding Japanese stuff:

https://youtu.be/WL2hBFhyo6Q (Anzen Chitai: Jirettai)
https://youtu.be/ZY_h_bW8CK0 (Anzen Chitai: Suki Sa)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pz4h_ai-yori-aoshi-enishi-ending-1_news (The Indigo - I Do!)
https://youtu.be/p6Q9gtBmZK8 (Yume no Nake e)
https://youtu.be/y0N3w90Hmh0#t=3m10s (TM Revolution: Light My Fire)

Some other J favorites, but these aren't 80's-ish:

https://youtu.be/7E9ycq5ZXD0 (Kotoko: Meconopsis)
https://youtu.be/bimJUWROSIk (Kotoko: Uzu-Maki)
https://youtu.be/POQVWetuNv8#t=16m35s (TM Revolution: Timeless Mobius Rover)
https://youtu.be/0Nd5Ce_RXbI (Namie Amuro: Come My Way)
https://youtu.be/xFqhyUHicQU (Yoko Kanno & Origa: Inner Universe)
https://youtu.be/baUY9LFlYh0 (<-- It's like audio/visual crack, can't turn away...)
https://youtu.be/OjkvQzWBpsA (Blood+ OP1)
https://youtu.be/5hkA2ivm4wU (Madoka Magica ED2)
https://vimeo.com/67644299 (Aira Yuhki: Blue sky, True sky)

'Course with this stuff, I could keep listing awesome ones all day, like just about every opening/closing for Noein, Inuyasha, Scientific Railgun, K-On, Nadia, Nana and Shinichirou Watanabe's shows, every opening for Pani Poni Dash, xxxHolic, Luck Star OP, damn near everything in Project Diva (both F and F2 are like digital crack), anything off Kotoko's "Glass no Kaze" and "Epsilon no Fune" albums, and a whole ton of others.

>> Nono, the 80's was more like this:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Az_GCJnXAI0
>> https://youtu.be/PN7dd2fW3OQ
>> https://youtu.be/Ug8WeZyTxXg
>> https://youtu.be/drGeLouMm6s
>

Banned in the US: "Public Image Limited - This Is Not A Love Song" and "SABRINA - Boys (Video Original) - HD."

Those other two are absolutely wild though. Hilarious. :)

> Here is a nice documentary about the 80s :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

Wow, just watched the first minute, that's freaking sweet! Definitely gonna watch the rest of that later.

"Dave" <whatever@whatever.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:06:45 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
>> On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 18:17:01 UTC, Dave wrote:
>>> Disagree. Traditionally also handled by throwing exceptions. C# throws a Format exception if a parse fails.
>> 
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/f02979c7%28v=vs.110%29.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb299639%28v=vs.110%29.aspx
> 
> Forgot the one named "Parse"...
> 
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b3h1hf19(v=vs.110).aspx
> 
> Microsoft does lets you opt out (as I suggested). The default function,
> the one actually named "Parse" (Int32.Parse), throws an exception by default.

Originally (.Net 1) there was only 'Parse', 'TryParse' came in .Net 2, I guess they had to admit that exceptions are not always practical.

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 18:32:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote:
> On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:19:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>>
>> "My friend came in to the shop today and the entire time they just kept asking for corks..."
>
> For me that sounds 100% fine...

Ah, ok. I found this link interesting:

http://blog.dictionary.com/oldenglishgender/

Apparently Old English may have lost its gendered nouns when it was melted with Old Norse due to conflicting genders on same noun.

And it is rather obvious that english "they" have common root with norwegian "de" from Old Norse "þeir":

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/þeir

So I'd find it an odd coincidence if norwegian singular "De" was not related to english singular "they"… but it could also come from "Sie" through the trade German influence in Bergen around 1300…

Wikipedia has no real answer I think except that the first written occurrence of singular they was early 1300.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:16:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Banned in the US: "Public Image Limited - This Is Not A Love Song" and "SABRINA - Boys (Video Original) - HD."

Banned? Oh well, Lydon of Sex Pistols is an anarchist and Sabrina shows of her tits with a wardrobe malfunction. I guess that explains it well enough.

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:52:56 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> was not related to english singular "they"… but it could also come from "Sie" through the trade German influence in Bergen around 1300…

Or more likely Danish…  I think they have same polite singular form "De". It makes sense that one might pick up polite forms through trading. Oh well.

> Originally (.Net 1) there was only 'Parse', 'TryParse' came in .Net 2, I
> guess they had to admit that exceptions are not always practical.

I think TryParse (and anything marked prefixed with Try) is meant
for quick stuff. It doesn't return any error. Just a boolean
indicating that it failed. The entire function seems to be a
wrapper around the actual try mechanism. So Parse will give you
an error, TryParse will just tell you it failed.

On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:16:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> Here is a nice documentary about the 80s :
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg
>
> Wow, just watched the first minute, that's freaking sweet! Definitely gonna watch the rest of that later.

The historical accuracy is indeed striking :)