Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.

The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.


Andrei

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.
>
> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>
>
> Andrei

What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 21:01:42 UTC, cym13 wrote:
> On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.
>>
>> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>>
>>
>> Andrei
>
> What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?

Outspend Julia !

On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
> On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
>> Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
>> has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
>> of my last royalty check.
>>
>> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
>> can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
>> months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>>
>>
>> Andrei
>
> What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
> projects?

DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei

On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
>>> Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
>>> has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
>>> of my last royalty check.
>>>
>>> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
>>> can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
>>> months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>
>> What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
>> projects?
>
> DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei

I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates that would be good to have:

1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar).
2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority.
3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.

The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there are plenty of other options though).

Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free).

Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to look professional and ready for primetime.

On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
>>>> Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
>>>> has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
>>>> of my last royalty check.
>>>>
>>>> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
>>>> can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
>>>> months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrei
>>>
>>> What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
>>> projects?
>>
>> DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly
>> expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
>
> I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a
> perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for
> D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars
> to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are
> three different certificates that would be good to have:
>
> 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate
> would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar).
> 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority.
> 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.
>
> The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there
> are plenty of other options though).
>
> Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted
> Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running
> command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To
> register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which
> you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free).
>
> Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows
> SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary
> warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also
> means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's
> name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned
> executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to
> look professional and ready for primetime.

Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed.
IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires system change to make things work.

It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say yes. If you, do it won't ask you again.

--bb

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Rikki Cattermole via Digitalmars-d-announce <digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com> wrote:

> On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.
>>>>>
>>>>> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrei
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support projects?
>>>>
>>>
>>> DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
>>>
>>
>> I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates that would be good to have:
>>
>> 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar). 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority. 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.
>>
>> The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there are plenty of other options though).
>>
>> Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free).
>>
>> Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to look professional and ready for primetime.
>>
>
> Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by
> default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed.
> IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires
> system change to make things work.
>

On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
> just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
> choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it
> will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say
> yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.
>
> --bb

That is one more hurdle then on every other platform.
And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick most likely is needed. It makes us look bad.

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 03:59:25 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
>> It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
>> just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
>> choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it
>> will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say
>> yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.
>>
>> --bb
>
> That is one more hurdle then on every other platform.
> And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick most likely is needed. It makes us look bad.

no other platform requires you to pay money so your users aren't inconvenienced

And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and actually helps? :P