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March 01, 2012
Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What is your main development platform for D ?

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494
March 01, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
Windows leads. Amazing!

COFF + 64bit plz! ;)

On 1 March 2012 16:40, Marco Leise <Marco.Leise@gmx.de> wrote:

> Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What
> is your main development platform for D ?
>
> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.**html?p=**4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494<http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494>
>
March 01, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On Mar 1, 2012 11:11 AM, "Manu" <turkeyman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Windows leads. Amazing!
>
> COFF + 64bit plz! ;)
>
>
> On 1 March 2012 16:40, Marco Leise <Marco.Leise@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What
is your main development platform for D ?
>>
>> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494
>
>

Right now its tired between BSD/Linux and windoze.
March 01, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
Am 01.03.2012, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Manu <turkeyman@gmail.com>:

> Windows leads. Amazing!
>
> COFF + 64bit plz! ;)

You would have gotten it by tomorrow, but unfortunately now the *nix systems lead by a few % so this feature must obviously be postponed to next year.
March 01, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On 2012-03-01 15:40, Marco Leise wrote:
> Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What
> is your main development platform for D ?
>
> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494

Why bundle Linux and FreeBSD in one option?

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
March 01, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:26:59 +0100
Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com> wrote:

> Why bundle Linux and FreeBSD in one option?

To make it harder for Windows to win. :-}


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March 02, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
Am 01.03.2012, 21:26 Uhr, schrieb Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com>:

> On 2012-03-01 15:40, Marco Leise wrote:
>> Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What
>> is your main development platform for D ?
>>
>> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494
>
> Why bundle Linux and FreeBSD in one option?

I considered the two 'similar enough' from a point of view of architecture and organization to merge them (aka Unix-like). I admit, that I never used FreeBSD though.
Anyway the numbers nicely show, that neither Windows nor Linux(-compatible) are underrepresented in the D community. My personal opinion is that the number of Windows users is actually low, considering its market share and other surveys like this: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/10/27/developer-os-preferences/
March 02, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On 2 March 2012 09:47, Marco Leise <Marco.Leise@gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 01.03.2012, 21:26 Uhr, schrieb Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com>:
>
>
>  On 2012-03-01 15:40, Marco Leise wrote:
>>
>>> Since everyone loves polls, and the question comes up now and then: What
>>> is your main development platform for D ?
>>>
>>> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.**html?p=**4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494<http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f4f7d25c2e1b0e40b0ac494>
>>>
>>
>> Why bundle Linux and FreeBSD in one option?
>>
>
> I considered the two 'similar enough' from a point of view of architecture
> and organization to merge them (aka Unix-like). I admit, that I never used
> FreeBSD though.
> Anyway the numbers nicely show, that neither Windows nor
> Linux(-compatible) are underrepresented in the D community. My personal
> opinion is that the number of Windows users is actually low, considering
> its market share and other surveys like this: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/*
> *2010/10/27/developer-os-**preferences/<http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/10/27/developer-os-preferences/>
>

But we knew that already, because most of the D devs are linux guys, and D
does not present a good experience to Windows users. I can personally point
to numerous friends/colleagues who tried out D and turned away within a few
hours because the Windows experience was so weak.
Windows support should be prioritised BECAUSE Windows numbers are low, not
because there's perceived to be no demand on that platform.
March 02, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On 3/2/2012 12:25 AM, Manu wrote:
> But we knew that already, because most of the D devs are linux guys, and D does not present a good experience to Windows
> users. I can personally point to numerous friends/colleagues who tried out D and turned away within a few hours because
> the Windows experience was so weak.
> Windows support should be prioritized BECAUSE Windows numbers are low, not because there's perceived to be no demand on
> that platform.

I'm fairly your assertion is incorrect, if by "d devs" you mean the guys that are building dmd/druntime/phobos.  I think
we actually have more contributors that are windows based than linux based.  At a minimum the numbers are well balanced,
not wildly lopsided towards linux.

No one has ever claimed that there's no demand for windows support.  What's been asserted is that it's easier to support
linux/bsd/osx.  And indeed that was backed up by how much time was spent on the platform specific parts vs the generic
parts while implementing 64 bit support.  Windows will get 64 bit support at some point.  That's not even a question.
What is a question is when, and there isn't a good answer for that right now.

There's a clear need to focus/prioritize limited resources.  It's not a hard choice to decide to defer spending many
months working on win64 and other platform specific support issues when there's still language level issues that cross
every platform.  That said, as always, if someone wants to scratch that itch and contribute to improving the windows
specific parts, help will be welcomed with open arms and lots of encouragement.

Later,
Brad
March 02, 2012
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On Friday, March 02, 2012 01:09:37 Brad Roberts wrote:
> On 3/2/2012 12:25 AM, Manu wrote:
> > But we knew that already, because most of the D devs are linux guys, and D
> > does not present a good experience to Windows users. I can personally
> > point to numerous friends/colleagues who tried out D and turned away
> > within a few hours because the Windows experience was so weak.
> > Windows support should be prioritized BECAUSE Windows numbers are low, not
> > because there's perceived to be no demand on that platform.
> 
> I'm fairly your assertion is incorrect, if by "d devs" you mean the guys
> that are building dmd/druntime/phobos.  I think we actually have more
> contributors that are windows based than linux based.  At a minimum the
> numbers are well balanced, not wildly lopsided towards linux.
> 
> No one has ever claimed that there's no demand for windows support.  What's
> been asserted is that it's easier to support linux/bsd/osx.  And indeed
> that was backed up by how much time was spent on the platform specific
> parts vs the generic parts while implementing 64 bit support.  Windows will
> get 64 bit support at some point.  That's not even a question. What is a
> question is when, and there isn't a good answer for that right now.
> 
> There's a clear need to focus/prioritize limited resources.  It's not a hard
> choice to decide to defer spending many months working on win64 and other
> platform specific support issues when there's still language level issues
> that cross every platform.  That said, as always, if someone wants to
> scratch that itch and contribute to improving the windows specific parts,
> help will be welcomed with open arms and lots of encouragement.

It's definitely a mixture. Don and Walter are primarily Windows users, I 
believe. I think that Kenji is as well. I believe that both Andrei and Sean 
are primarily Mac users. I'm a Linux user. I believe that several others are 
Linux users as well, but I don't remember exactly who uses what platform, and 
many of us use several.

The current state of Windows support has _nothing_ to do with how many Windows 
developers we have. It has everything to do with how hard it is to further 
develop the Windows support - _especially_ when most (all?) of the Windows 
support issues are on the backend.

- Jonathan M Davis
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