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March 05, 2012
NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
I love the newsgroup interface.

I hate it when it starts saying shit like "load = 2045 gt 2000.  Please  
try again later"  Especially when I'm posting a message.

Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix this?

-Steve
March 05, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On 3/5/12 2:33 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> I love the newsgroup interface.
>
> I hate it when it starts saying shit like "load = 2045 gt 2000. Please
> try again later" Especially when I'm posting a message.
>
> Is this a common problem with news servers? Is there some way to fix this?

I think it's a configuration on the news server that indicates it's 
overloaded. Probably it's time to scale up a bit (bigger machine or a 
second machine).

This affects the Web interface too, if the NNTP server is too loaded it 
can't serve the Web interface either.


Andrei
March 06, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
> this?

I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
single problem like you quoted above.


Sincerely,
Gour


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March 06, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
> "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way 
>> to fix
>> this?
>
> I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and 
> never had a
> single problem like you quoted above.

That only means you don't post enough ;)

It's a problem well-known by regulars.

(An alternative explanation might be that your client might be 
placing the message in the outbox and retrying automatically in 
the background.)
March 06, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:30:00 +0100
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir@thecybershadow.net> wrote:

> That only means you don't post enough ;)

OK, I'll try to improve. ;)

> (An alternative explanation might be that your client might be 
> placing the message in the outbox and retrying automatically in 
> the background.)

Claws informs me when not being able to post and when it puts message in
a queue.


Sincerely,
Gour


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Thus the wise living entity's pure consciousness becomes covered by 
his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and 
which burns like fire.

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March 07, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On 06/03/2012 10:30, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
<snip>
> (An alternative explanation might be that your client might be placing the message in the
> outbox and retrying automatically in the background.)

It's a plausible explanation if it's the kind of error that happens _only_ on posting. 
But no program can do this when reading a 'group and make it look to the user as if a 
message has been downloaded when it hasn't.

Though one possibility is that some newsreader polls the server at intervals in the 
background and automatically downloads all messages.  Then you might notice only when you 
manually trigger a poll, or when you try to read a message that hasn't downloaded because 
the connection crashed between downloading new headers and downloading the message body.

Though a well-made newsreader would still indicate to the user in some way that there's 
been a problem, as much as it may try to lessen the inconvenience to the user.

Stewart.
March 07, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:30:00 -0500, Vladimir Panteleev  
<vladimir@thecybershadow.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
>> "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
>>> this?
>>
>> I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
>> single problem like you quoted above.
>
> That only means you don't post enough ;)
>
> It's a problem well-known by regulars.

Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our newsgroups?  I'd be  
crazy to think that digitalmars is the largest online NNTP community ever,  
right?  I wouldn't know, because this is the only newsgroup I use...

-Steve
March 07, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:01:48AM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:30:00 -0500, Vladimir Panteleev
> <vladimir@thecybershadow.net> wrote:
> 
> >On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 10:22:15 UTC, Gour wrote:
> >>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:24 -0500
> >>"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Is this a common problem with news servers?  Is there some way to fix
> >>>this?
> >>
> >>I regularly post to news groups from my mailer (Claws) and never had a
> >>single problem like you quoted above.
> >
> >That only means you don't post enough ;)
> >
> >It's a problem well-known by regulars.
> 
> Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our newsgroups?

This:

> I'd be crazy to think that digitalmars is the largest online NNTP
> community ever, right?

ROTFLMAO!!! That would certainly be the day, when D forums can lay
claims to being the largest NNTP community online. That would be when D
takes over the world. :D


> I wouldn't know, because this is the only newsgroup I use...
[...]

D newsgroups are really tame and low-volume, in comparison with the rest
of Usenet. And I mean, really, really, REALLY tame. There's some crazy
wild stuff going on out there in Usenet land.


T

-- 
If the comments and the code disagree, it's likely that *both* are wrong. -- Christopher
March 07, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Wednesday, 7 March 2012 at 13:01:48 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:
> Do you mean a well known NNTP problem or just for our 
> newsgroups?

Just the DigitalMars NNTP server. The server will refuse to 
accept new connections when the system load is above a certain 
threshold.
March 07, 2012
Re: NNTP rules, news.digitalmars.com sucks
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 07:59:10 -0800
"H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh@quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:

> ROTFLMAO!!! That would certainly be the day, when D forums can lay
> claims to being the largest NNTP community online. That would be when
> D takes over the world. :D

Well, at the moment digitalmars.D is the biggest newsgroup (number of
messages) which I follow with wxwidgets-devel being the 2nd one.


Sincerely,
Gour


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understanding of My transcendental nature. Therefore you should 
perform your duty, following in their footsteps.

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