December 08, 2012
The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll keep this short:

As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!).

In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org accordingly.

So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is there anything important missing? [1]

At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content, but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while.

David


[1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid confusion regarding the official source.
December 09, 2012
On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:
> The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll keep this short:
>
> As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!).
>
> In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org accordingly.
>
> So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is there anything important missing? [1]
>
> At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content, but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while.
>
> David
>
>
> [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid confusion regarding the official source.

I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.
December 09, 2012
Am 09.12.2012 07:13, schrieb Maxim Fomin:
> On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:
>> The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll
>> keep this short:
>>
>> As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to
>> set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at
>> prowiki.org. It is reachable at
>> http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people
>> have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!).
>>
>> In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The
>> next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e.
>> make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org
>> accordingly.
>>
>> So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is
>> there anything important missing? [1]
>>
>> At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content,
>> but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official
>> blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around
>> the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid
>> confusion regarding the official source.
>
> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new
> site is just almost empty
> (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500
> see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and
> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright,
> Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are
> seeking language technical details.


Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can understand in our forum discussions.

So the question is how much of the *real* content is still missing?

--
Paulo
December 09, 2012
On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:

> Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can
> understand in our forum discussions.

I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
December 09, 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 11:32:57 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>
>> Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can
>> understand in our forum discussions.
>
> I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.

My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory, but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment somebody put up on his own domain.

Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it makes sense to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list of libraries) from Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we could take this as an opportunity to get rid of the cruft.

David
December 09, 2012
W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:
> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.
I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found and which didn't looked outdated for me.

Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't want to spend too much  time on something that is may not be even seen publicly.

Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its current state?
December 09, 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:03:02 UTC, Mariusz Gliwiński wrote:
> W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:
>> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new site is just almost empty (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.
> I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found and which didn't looked outdated for me.
>
> Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't want to spend too much  time on something that is may not be even seen publicly.

Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.org (or moving its database to mediawiki instance located at wiki.dlang.org)? Probably this is a good idea even assuming that the site is just almost empty - it can be incentive to participate in it.

> Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its current state?

I didn't tell this.
December 09, 2012
On 2012-12-09 13:12, David Nadlinger wrote:

> My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go
> forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite
> libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory,
> but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five
> minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment
> somebody put up on his own domain.
>
> Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it makes sense
> to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list of libraries) from
> Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we could take this as an
> opportunity to get rid of the cruft.

I think we should put it in an archive section. Someone might want to revive an old library.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
December 09, 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:21:26 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:
> Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at wiki.dlang.org

Update: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now.

So, let's work on getting it ready on prime time, and then flip the switch, i.e. the dlang.org Wiki links.

David
December 09, 2012
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 06:14:16 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:
> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are seeking language technical details.

I think these pages are mostly the result of playing around with the Semantic MediaWiki extension (which seems to be quite a nice fit, from the results, and probably a good reason to switch away from Prowiki in itself).

David
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