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December 08, 2012
Officially moving to MediaWiki?
The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so 
I'll keep this short:

As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly 
agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the 
current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at 
http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several 
people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a 
lot!).

In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old 
wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as 
the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the 
links on dlang.org accordingly.

So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right 
now? Is there anything important missing? [1]

At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less 
content, but I think this will quickly change once it has 
received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably be 
a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, at 
least for a short while.

David


[1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to 
avoid confusion regarding the official source.
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger 
wrote:
> The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so 
> I'll keep this short:
>
> As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly 
> agreed to set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the 
> current D wiki at prowiki.org. It is reachable at 
> http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several 
> people have actively been adding content to it already (thanks 
> a lot!).
>
> In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old 
> wiki. The next logical step would be to officially adopt it as 
> the D wiki, i.e. make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the 
> links on dlang.org accordingly.
>
> So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right 
> now? Is there anything important missing? [1]
>
> At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less 
> content, but I think this will quickly change once it has 
> received the official blessing. Besides that, it will probably 
> be a good idea to keep around the old one as an archive anyway, 
> at least for a short while.
>
> David
>
>
> [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to 
> avoid confusion regarding the official source.

I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but 
new site is just almost empty 
(http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 
see also 
http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and 
some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, 
Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those 
who are seeking language technical details.
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
Am 09.12.2012 07:13, schrieb Maxim Fomin:
> On Saturday, 8 December 2012 at 23:52:48 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:
>> The topic has been discussed extensively a short while ago, so I'll
>> keep this short:
>>
>> As you will probably remember, Vladimir Panteleev has kindly agreed to
>> set up a MediaWiki instance, meant to replace the current D wiki at
>> prowiki.org. It is reachable at
>> http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Main_Page, and several people
>> have actively been adding content to it already (thanks a lot!).
>>
>> In my opinion, it is already much more inviting than the old wiki. The
>> next logical step would be to officially adopt it as the D wiki, i.e.
>> make wiki.dlang.org point to it and change the links on dlang.org
>> accordingly.
>>
>> So, the question is, what is stopping us from doing that right now? Is
>> there anything important missing? [1]
>>
>> At this point, the MediaWiki instance still has slightly less content,
>> but I think this will quickly change once it has received the official
>> blessing. Besides that, it will probably be a good idea to keep around
>> the old one as an archive anyway, at least for a short while.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> [1] The DIPs have not been moved yet, but that's in order to avoid
>> confusion regarding the official source.
>
> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new
> site is just almost empty
> (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500
> see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and
> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright,
> Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who are
> seeking language technical details.


Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can 
understand in our forum discussions.

So the question is how much of the *real* content is still missing?

--
Paulo
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:

> Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from what I can
> understand in our forum discussions.

I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 11:32:57 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2012-12-09 08:19, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>
>> Well, most of the content on the current Wiki is dead from 
>> what I can
>> understand in our forum discussions.
>
> I think the Library and Frameworks section could be fleshed out.

My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want 
to go forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their 
own favorite libraries there. Of course, we could already do this 
_now_ in theory, but I think the chance of this happening, even 
if it just takes five minutes, is small as long as the new wiki 
is nothing but a experiment somebody put up on his own domain.

Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it 
makes sense to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list 
of libraries) from Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we 
could take this as an opportunity to get rid of the cruft.

David
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:
> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, but new 
> site is just almost empty 
> (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 
> see also http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and 
> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, 
> Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for those who 
> are seeking language technical details.
I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port everything i found 
and which didn't looked outdated for me.

Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't want to 
spend too much  time on something that is may not be even seen publicly.

Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its current 
state?
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:03:02 UTC, Mariusz Gliwiński 
wrote:
> W dniu 2012-12-09 07:13, Maxim Fomin pisze:
>> I agree that moving from prowiki to mediawiki is a good idea, 
>> but new site is just almost empty 
>> (http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=&limit=500 
>> see also 
>> http://dwiki.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/Special:AllPages) and 
>> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, 
>> Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for 
>> those who are seeking language technical details.
> I agree there's a lot to improve, but i tried to port 
> everything i found and which didn't looked outdated for me.
>
> Another thing is, as someone mentioned before, that i don't 
> want to spend too much  time on something that is may not be 
> even seen publicly.

Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible at 
wiki.dlang.org (or moving its database to mediawiki instance 
located at wiki.dlang.org)? Probably this is a good idea even 
assuming that the site is just almost empty - it can be incentive 
to participate in it.

> Could you point out why old wiki is better than new one in its 
> current state?

I didn't tell this.
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On 2012-12-09 13:12, David Nadlinger wrote:

> My idea here is that once we have officially decided that we want to go
> forward with the new wiki, everybody would just add their own favorite
> libraries there. Of course, we could already do this _now_ in theory,
> but I think the chance of this happening, even if it just takes five
> minutes, is small as long as the new wiki is nothing but a experiment
> somebody put up on his own domain.
>
> Regarding content missing from the new wiki, I doubt that it makes sense
> to migrate the complete set of pages (e.g. the list of libraries) from
> Prowiki – many are just plain outdated, and we could take this as an
> opportunity to get rid of the cruft.

I think we should put it in an archive section. Someone might want to 
revive an old library.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 13:21:26 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:
> Are you actually asking to make Vladimir's wikisite accessible 
> at wiki.dlang.org

Update: It actually is reachable under wiki.dlang.org now.

So, let's work on getting it ready on prime time, and then flip 
the switch, i.e. the dlang.org Wiki links.

David
December 09, 2012
Re: Officially moving to MediaWiki?
On Sunday, 9 December 2012 at 06:14:16 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote:
> some portion of it is dedicated to developers (Walter Bright, 
> Alexandrescu and others) which is not very interesting for 
> those who are seeking language technical details.

I think these pages are mostly the result of playing around with 
the Semantic MediaWiki extension (which seems to be quite a nice 
fit, from the results, and probably a good reason to switch away 
from Prowiki in itself).

David
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