December 30
> I'm happy it's working for you, but please do not present it as an "official" group. That implies the foundation is involved in operating it.

Okay, sorry about that.
December 30
On Tuesday, 29 December 2020 at 15:06:07 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> No, the OP clearly stated that he made the group "official". That is a deliberate attempt to fracture.
I'm sorry you see it like this but my intention when I created the group was to expand Dlang by bringing it to places people couldn't find it yet. The whole point of the FB group is to aggregate people into our community, to bring more people to Dlang and make Dlang famous. My whole intention was to help our community grow, not fracture.
December 29
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:31:36AM +0000, Murilo via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Tuesday, 29 December 2020 at 15:06:07 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> > No, the OP clearly stated that he made the group "official". That is a deliberate attempt to fracture.

No, that's reading more into it than the OP intended.


> I'm sorry you see it like this but my intention when I created the group was to expand Dlang by bringing it to places people couldn't find it yet. The whole point of the FB group is to aggregate people into our community, to bring more people to Dlang and make Dlang famous. My whole intention was to help our community grow, not fracture.

I applaud your efforts. Even though I would not participate in Facebook for personal reasons, and it's probably not a good idea to present the FB group as "official", it's nevertheless a fact that FB reaches a lot more people than most other platforms.  So why not take advantage of it.

Let's not get up in arms about technicalities here.  The word is spreading and that's a good thing, not something to argue over.


T

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Political correctness: socially-sanctioned hypocrisy.
December 30
On Wednesday, 30 December 2020 at 02:31:36 UTC, Murilo wrote:
> On Tuesday, 29 December 2020 at 15:06:07 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>> No, the OP clearly stated that he made the group "official". That is a deliberate attempt to fracture.
> I'm sorry you see it like this but my intention when I created the group was to expand Dlang by bringing it to places people couldn't find it yet. The whole point of the FB group is to aggregate people into our community, to bring more people to Dlang and make Dlang famous. My whole intention was to help our community grow, not fracture.

No need to be sorry. Keep up the good work.

There is a tendency around here to kill the good that is for the better that never will be. Don't get discouraged by this. If I had facebook, I'd join.
December 30
On Wednesday, 30 December 2020 at 02:31:36 UTC, Murilo wrote:
> On Tuesday, 29 December 2020 at 15:06:07 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>> No, the OP clearly stated that he made the group "official". That is a deliberate attempt to fracture.
> I'm sorry you see it like this but my intention when I created the group was to expand Dlang by bringing it to places people couldn't find it yet. The whole point of the FB group is to aggregate people into our community, to bring more people to Dlang and make Dlang famous. My whole intention was to help our community grow, not fracture.

You did well, many get all fancy about Facebook, yet don't have any issues using FOSS software paid with Facebook's money.

The more the better.
December 30
On Wednesday, 30 December 2020 at 02:31:36 UTC, Murilo wrote:
> On Tuesday, 29 December 2020 at 15:06:07 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
>> No, the OP clearly stated that he made the group "official". That is a deliberate attempt to fracture.
> I'm sorry you see it like this but my intention when I created the group was to expand Dlang by bringing it to places people couldn't find it yet. The whole point of the FB group is to aggregate people into our community, to bring more people to Dlang and make Dlang famous. My whole intention was to help our community grow, not fracture.

I have no issues with what you do or don't do. I have issues with the complete lack of strategic visions and decision making on multiple levels in the D community. The question is not what you should or should not do, but how the D community approach community building and respond to changes in the environment.

Just redirect people who cannot get their problems resolved in your group to the learn forum then they get the best of both worlds. :-)

No, what I find disturbing is that people don't think long term and that the greater world is viewed as something that "just happens". It is quite obvious that Go and Rust is doing a better job at putting forth visions for the language, making strategic choices and executing. They also do so in terms of community out reach.

Quite frankly, right now, fracturing is the only possibility for D. The current setup without solid moderation of the D forums cannot sustain a large population. When the number of participants is large the community will get more toxic. Which is not good.

Also, it is a problem that the learn forum is hidden away.

So fracturing on your part, is not the main issue, the main issue is that nobody has a strategy for making sure that the main hub can grow nor is there a strategy for making sure that people gravitate towards it. The strategy seems to be to make it less visible to avoid that people find it. ;-)

It would not surprise me if you manage to grow your group to a 50/50 split. Is that a fracture, sure. But, right now, fracturing is envitable if growth is to take place anyway. The source for this would not be what you do, but what the D community is unwilling to do (or think about).


December 30
On Monday, 28 December 2020 at 17:31:21 UTC, Murilo wrote:
> In the past 2 weeks we went from 225 to 240 members in our Facebook group(https://www.facebook.com/groups/ProgrammingInDlang), an average of a person per day. First it was an average of a person per month or less. I wonder if someone has advertised the group or the world is finally embracing Dlang now.
>
> In 2018 I didn't find a single Dlang Facebook active group, there were 1 or 2 very old groups with no members. So I created one and I've been working hard to make it official and big, it worked! At first I added my friends list to give it number but then, as people joined it, I removed all of my friends and left only people who joined voluntarily, there were only 150, over time it grew to 225 and now we are getting close to 250.
>
> At first there was only a post per week, all posted by me, now I don't need to post something every week because the members are already doing it themselves, there is regular activity including posts and discussions.
>
> I'm very happy, at first the people here did not like my idea, they thought a Facebook group was unnecessary, but what is the biggest social media in the world? Facebook! So that's is the best way to communicate with the world and advertise Dlang.
>
> Cheers.

Cool, I didn't know this exists. Congrats on 200+ members; that's no mean feat!
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