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May 22, 2012
Is the D community lacking development tools?
http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:03:36 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html

My opinion - no.

We already have:
1) Mono-D, a MonoDevelop plugin - my personal favourite.
2) Code::Blocks - I used it for years, still provides excellent D 
support.
3) Visual D - for VisualStudio users.
4) DDT - for Eclipse users
5) NetbeansD - for NetBeans users
6) Geany and Kate - for those who want to write a quick D proggy.
7) VIM and Emacs

Sure, all of them can be better, provide more fancy features, 
etc...
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:18:48 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:03:36 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>
> My opinion - no.
> We already have:
> ...
> 5) NetbeansD - for NetBeans users
Didn't know about that one.
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:18:48 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:03:36 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>
> My opinion - no.
> We already have:
> ...
> 5) NetbeansD - for NetBeans users
Didn't know about that one.
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On 2012-05-22 12:03, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html

I agree with basically everything in that article.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:59:04 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2012-05-22 12:03, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>
> I agree with basically everything in that article.

I would also appreciate any specific feedback
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On 2012-05-22 13:21, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:59:04 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> On 2012-05-22 12:03, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>>>
>>
>> I agree with basically everything in that article.
>
> I would also appreciate any specific feedback

* do you think such project is worth the effort?

Yes

* do you feel that D ecosystem lacks tool support?

Yes

* Does this prevent many from using D?

Probably, not me though

* which tools are needed most? Which may be needed, but are not a high 
priority for you?

This is quite hard, that is, how to prioritize. This is my list, in no 
particular order:

* IDE
* Compiler (usable as a library)
* Build tool
* Testing framework
* GUI library
* Tool for automatically create bindings for C/C++/Objective-C
* ABI compatible with Objective-C, i.e. extern(Objective-C)
* Package manager
* Support for iOS

The hard thing is to prioritize. I'm thinking like this:

You need a compiler and an IDE/editor to write any tools. I would like 
and IDE that is just as good as Eclipse JDT. For that to happen we need 
a compiler usable as a library. I'm assuming we want to write as much as 
possible in D so a compiler written in D is necessary. A GUI library 
would be needed as well.

You would also need a build tool and testing framework to write new 
tools. Since we want to have everything as modularized and reusable as 
possible a package manager is also really needed.

If you also want to slap on a GUI on the tools you need a GUI library. 
For Mac OS X it would be a lot easier to be ABI compatible with 
Objective-C to create a GUI library.

For most of these tools, in particular: the build tool, testing 
framework and package manager it would be nice to have the compiler 
usable as a library. This would allow to have build scripts and other 
scripts written in D.

So to summarize:

A lot of the tools needed to be built depends on each other but I think 
most of the tools depend on a compiler, written in D, usable as a library.

* was this post useful? What could I change to make future posts in the 
series better?

Not really for me, nothing I didn't already know.

* should I add commenting on my blog, or dlang forum is better for that?

I prefer commenting here.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:18:47PM +0200, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:03:36 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
> >http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
> 
> My opinion - no.
[...]

+1. For me, vim + dmd/gdc is Good Enough(tm). Other tools are nice to
have, but not a must.

Having said that, though, having the reference compiler as a D-callable
library would be a big plus (for building pretty printers, code
analyzers, etc.).


T

-- 
Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences.  You have biases.  He/She has prejudices. -- Gene Wirchenko
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
+1 for a GUI lib, which is in sync with DMD releases.


On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 12:08:37 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2012-05-22 13:21, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:59:04 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> On 2012-05-22 12:03, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>>>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with basically everything in that article.
>>
>> I would also appreciate any specific feedback
>
> * do you think such project is worth the effort?
>
> Yes
>
> * do you feel that D ecosystem lacks tool support?
>
> Yes
>
> * Does this prevent many from using D?
>
> Probably, not me though
>
> * which tools are needed most? Which may be needed, but are not 
> a high priority for you?
>
> This is quite hard, that is, how to prioritize. This is my 
> list, in no particular order:
>
> * IDE
> * Compiler (usable as a library)
> * Build tool
> * Testing framework
> * GUI library
> * Tool for automatically create bindings for C/C++/Objective-C
> * ABI compatible with Objective-C, i.e. extern(Objective-C)
> * Package manager
> * Support for iOS
>
> The hard thing is to prioritize. I'm thinking like this:
>
> You need a compiler and an IDE/editor to write any tools. I 
> would like and IDE that is just as good as Eclipse JDT. For 
> that to happen we need a compiler usable as a library. I'm 
> assuming we want to write as much as possible in D so a 
> compiler written in D is necessary. A GUI library would be 
> needed as well.
>
> You would also need a build tool and testing framework to write 
> new tools. Since we want to have everything as modularized and 
> reusable as possible a package manager is also really needed.
>
> If you also want to slap on a GUI on the tools you need a GUI 
> library. For Mac OS X it would be a lot easier to be ABI 
> compatible with Objective-C to create a GUI library.
>
> For most of these tools, in particular: the build tool, testing 
> framework and package manager it would be nice to have the 
> compiler usable as a library. This would allow to have build 
> scripts and other scripts written in D.
>
> So to summarize:
>
> A lot of the tools needed to be built depends on each other but 
> I think most of the tools depend on a compiler, written in D, 
> usable as a library.
>
> * was this post useful? What could I change to make future 
> posts in the series better?
>
> Not really for me, nothing I didn't already know.
>
> * should I add commenting on my blog, or dlang forum is better 
> for that?
>
> I prefer commenting here.
May 22, 2012
Re: Is the D community lacking development tools?
Le 22/05/2012 12:18, Dejan Lekic a écrit :
> On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 at 10:03:36 UTC, Roman D. Boiko wrote:
>> http://d-coding.com/2012/05/22/is-the-d-community-lacking-development-tools.html
>>
>
> My opinion - no.
>
> We already have:
> 1) Mono-D, a MonoDevelop plugin - my personal favourite.
> 2) Code::Blocks - I used it for years, still provides excellent D support.
> 3) Visual D - for VisualStudio users.
> 4) DDT - for Eclipse users
> 5) NetbeansD - for NetBeans users
> 6) Geany and Kate - for those who want to write a quick D proggy.
> 7) VIM and Emacs
>
> Sure, all of them can be better, provide more fancy features, etc...
>

Refactoring tools ? Static code analysis ? Formaters ?

I'd say, just compare to what exists in Java or C# and you'll know that 
yes, many things are missing.
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