On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:00:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 7/31/12 9:39 PM, q66 wrote:
> No reaction that strong is reasonable, regardless of context.

Perhaps not.

> It's not a civilized response to anything. Probably this meta-talk has long run its course. We're one Hitler mention away from complete mayhem :o).

Appeasement, eh? JUST LIKE CHAMBERLAIN

> All - please, let's stay civil.

I'll admit, I came on a bit strong. Still, if I think someone's
being an arse, I'm going to call it like I see it. New comer or
not. I'm not being a paid support rep here, I'll give back snark
in return.

Now Stuart, I'll apologise if I have caused offense, and offer
a question -- where are you getting your DFL sources from?

On 7/31/2012 5:48 PM, Stuart wrote:
> I notice nobody else at all has objected to my being told to fuck off and stop
> wasting people's time. I guess it's okay for people to talk to me like that, yes?

Not many of us read all the posts. Is it ok for people to level such insults in this forum? I certainly think it is inappropriate.

But I do try and allow people to say whatever they want as much as possible. If you look hard enough in this forum, you'll find the occasional similar insult directed at me.

Such language, and attempts at trolling and baiting others tend to just be ignored.


> I can just fuck off if everyone would rather. After this blatant abuse - which
> has gone unremarked, it seems - I'm seriously considering leaving.

I certainly wish you'd stay. I don't believe Bernard is representative of our community.

On 7/31/2012 6:27 PM, Stuart wrote:
> I wasn't expecting drive-by trolling.

Well, there is one guy we all know & love who changes his pseudonym weekly and posts some incomprehensible drunken rants & insults late Saturday nights :-)

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:35:13 UTC, Bernard Helyer wrote:
> Now Stuart, I'll apologise if I have caused offense, and offer
> a question -- where are you getting your DFL sources from?

You'll apologise if telling me to fuck off and stop wasting everyone's time caused offence? Oooh, I dunno how likely that might be. I want no help from an unreasonable twat like you.

Incidentally, I was getting the DFL sources from the official repository.

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 01:30:07 UTC, q66 wrote:
> You are ignorant, no matter whether you have a BSc in software engineering or not; you've had enough chances to prove that you are. Also, maybe you should - I don't think anybody really gives a fuck.
>
> Bernard's reaction was entirely reasonable, spewing ignorant bullshit all around and then being like "hurr durr i have a bsc from software engineering, no wai" deserves no better.
>
> "fuck off faggot"

Uhuh. Another cock.

> Any help you can give will be most appreciated by the D community.

If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll keep my help to myself.

> I certainly wish you'd stay. I don't believe Bernard is representative of our community.

Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this forum and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my claim of a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but simply a statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general principles of coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has immediately earned me large amounts of abuse.

While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems this forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, as it stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as writing an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with the level of abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may notice I insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.

I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.

Stuart, I highly recommend you reread the first 4 pages of this topic. You should notice everyone trying to help you and give you information on what was going on. You should also notice (if you make any attempt at all to pay attention) that your posts were fairly confrontational and could be interpreted to be insulting (by "could be", I mean "has", at this point, of course).

You responded to peoples' escalations with more escalations. Obviously, that almost never works and has simply fanned the flames.

Even now there are people trying to extend olive branches to you even though you continue to be insulting. If you continue this, you can only expect more people to join in on the conversation to give you a piece of their minds.

I recommend a break from this topic (permanently, ideally) and relax for awhile. You seem to be wound tight and there's no sense in taking your frustrations out on your fellow programmers like this.

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:50:08 UTC, Stuart wrote:
> You'll apologise if telling me to fuck off and stop wasting everyone's time caused offence? Oooh, I dunno how likely that might be. I want no help from an unreasonable twat like you.

So far you're proving no better than him.

> If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll keep my help to myself.

Only the arrogant, confrontational ones invite this kind of abuse.

> Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this forum and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my claim of a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but simply a statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general principles of coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has immediately earned me large amounts of abuse.

One doesn't need to have an education in programming to know how the C++ compilation model works, and having a BSc in Software Engineering does not mean one necessarily knows either. It's a meaningless assertion to make. I called you ignorant of the C/C++/D compilation model because you were being excessively confrontational even though your question was really more fit for dm.D.learn than anything. It isn't a personal attack, either, not sure why you'd take it that way.

> While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems this forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, as it stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as writing an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with the level of abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may notice I insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.
>
> I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.

With rampant hyperbole like this, you're only worsening the statistic you mentioned. You've been doing this in nearly every post you've made on this NewsGroup. You're definitely not going to have a pleasant experience at this rate. I'd like to engage in constructive conversation about any issue you may have with D and the D ecosystem, but you're hardly making it easy for us.

On Monday, 30 July 2012 at 16:31:07 UTC, Stuart wrote:

You can't except whole community to take responsibility for couple people being rude.

Bernard is very helpful and cool guy but he gets high sometimes, q66 is just q66, he tends to add fuel to the fire ech :)

I can't help you about DFL but I can say about my experience with GUI development with D.

I wrote couple medium-size GUI applications with D using GtkD.
It scales quite well, and with help of gtk-wimp it gives it "native" look on windows too. Also with Glide and GTK-Builder its possible to make RAD, Glide is quite good GUI builder.

Although I need to mentioned that I had no experience with Windows 8 yet.

Qt or WxWidgets would be best solutions but again, there is more manpower required to make those boats float. Last time I checked WxD with minor tweaks worked with wx2.9 (cocoa support :D) and works completely fine with wx2.8

About IDE thingy, I really love Mono-D, it works great for me and I can recommend
it to anyone. If you are having problems with it, please report bug on https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-D - Alex is **BLAZING** fast on fixing stuff, trust me.

On 08/01/12 03:39, q66 wrote:
>> Bernard's reaction was entirely reasonable, spewing ignorant bullshit all around and then being like "hurr durr i have a bsc from software engineering, no wai" deserves no better.
> 
> By the way, he's only proving what I said with these "hurrr I'm gonna leave" responses (not that it wasn't apparent before). With this attitude, I can say only one thing: "fuck off faggot"

Can we please keep our low-brow insults a bit higher-brow than sexual slurs? This is, after all, not quite yet /b/.

On 08/01/12 04:50, Stuart wrote:
> If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll keep my help to myself.

If this kind of response is indicative of the way you deal with mild abrasiveness, you're very very welcome to.

> Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this forum and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my claim of a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but simply a statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general principles of coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has immediately earned me large amounts of abuse.

Having a BSc in SE has only tangential connection to being able to write good code.

> While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems this forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, as it stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as writing an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with the level of abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may notice I insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.

I think if you left at this point, it'd make this place better.

> I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.

Fine: your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Also, farts are had in your approximate area. Please stop now?

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 03:24:43 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
> Even now there are people trying to extend olive branches to you even though you continue to be insulting.

Insulting only the people who have insulted me.

> You seem to be wound tight and there's no sense in taking your
> frustrations out on your fellow programmers like this.

I'm not. I'm taking out my frustrations on the people who are telling me to fuck off. I have no problem with those of you who have been reasonable.