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August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:00:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
> On 7/31/12 9:39 PM, q66 wrote:
> No reaction that strong is reasonable, regardless of context.

Perhaps not.

> It's not a civilized response to anything. Probably this 
> meta-talk has long run its course. We're one Hitler mention 
> away from complete mayhem :o).

Appeasement, eh? JUST LIKE CHAMBERLAIN

> All - please, let's stay civil.

I'll admit, I came on a bit strong. Still, if I think someone's
being an arse, I'm going to call it like I see it. New comer or
not. I'm not being a paid support rep here, I'll give back snark
in return.

Now Stuart, I'll apologise if I have caused offense, and offer
a question -- where are you getting your DFL sources from?
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On 7/31/2012 5:48 PM, Stuart wrote:
> I notice nobody else at all has objected to my being told to fuck off and stop
> wasting people's time. I guess it's okay for people to talk to me like that, yes?

Not many of us read all the posts. Is it ok for people to level such insults in 
this forum? I certainly think it is inappropriate.

But I do try and allow people to say whatever they want as much as possible. If 
you look hard enough in this forum, you'll find the occasional similar insult 
directed at me.

Such language, and attempts at trolling and baiting others tend to just be ignored.


> I can just fuck off if everyone would rather. After this blatant abuse - which
> has gone unremarked, it seems - I'm seriously considering leaving.

I certainly wish you'd stay. I don't believe Bernard is representative of our 
community.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On 7/31/2012 6:27 PM, Stuart wrote:
> I wasn't expecting drive-by trolling.

Well, there is one guy we all know & love who changes his pseudonym weekly and 
posts some incomprehensible drunken rants & insults late Saturday nights :-)
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:35:13 UTC, Bernard Helyer wrote:
> Now Stuart, I'll apologise if I have caused offense, and offer
> a question -- where are you getting your DFL sources from?

You'll apologise if telling me to fuck off and stop wasting 
everyone's time caused offence? Oooh, I dunno how likely that 
might be. I want no help from an unreasonable twat like you.

Incidentally, I was getting the DFL sources from the official 
repository.

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 01:30:07 UTC, q66 wrote:
> You are ignorant, no matter whether you have a BSc in software 
> engineering or not; you've had enough chances to prove that you 
> are. Also, maybe you should - I don't think anybody really 
> gives a fuck.
>
> Bernard's reaction was entirely reasonable, spewing ignorant 
> bullshit all around and then being like "hurr durr i have a bsc 
> from software engineering, no wai" deserves no better.
>
> "fuck off faggot"

Uhuh. Another cock.

> Any help you can give will be most appreciated by the D 
> community.

If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll 
keep my help to myself.

> I certainly wish you'd stay. I don't believe Bernard is 
> representative of our community.

Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this forum 
and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my claim of 
a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but simply a 
statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general principles of 
coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has immediately earned 
me large amounts of abuse.

While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems this 
forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, as it 
stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as writing 
an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with the level of 
abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may notice I 
insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.

I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the 
line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
Stuart, I highly recommend you reread the first 4 pages of this 
topic. You should notice everyone trying to help you and give you 
information on what was going on. You should also notice (if you 
make any attempt at all to pay attention) that your posts were 
fairly confrontational and could be interpreted to be insulting 
(by "could be", I mean "has", at this point, of course).

You responded to peoples' escalations with more escalations. 
Obviously, that almost never works and has simply fanned the 
flames.

Even now there are people trying to extend olive branches to you 
even though you continue to be insulting. If you continue this, 
you can only expect more people to join in on the conversation to 
give you a piece of their minds.

I recommend a break from this topic (permanently, ideally) and 
relax for awhile. You seem to be wound tight and there's no sense 
in taking your frustrations out on your fellow programmers like 
this.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 02:50:08 UTC, Stuart wrote:
> You'll apologise if telling me to fuck off and stop wasting 
> everyone's time caused offence? Oooh, I dunno how likely that 
> might be. I want no help from an unreasonable twat like you.

So far you're proving no better than him.

> If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll 
> keep my help to myself.

Only the arrogant, confrontational ones invite this kind of abuse.

> Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this 
> forum and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my 
> claim of a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but 
> simply a statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general 
> principles of coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has 
> immediately earned me large amounts of abuse.

One doesn't need to have an education in programming to know how 
the C++ compilation model works, and having a BSc in Software 
Engineering does not mean one necessarily knows either. It's a 
meaningless assertion to make. I called you ignorant of the 
C/C++/D compilation model because you were being excessively 
confrontational even though your question was really more fit for 
dm.D.learn than anything. It isn't a personal attack, either, not 
sure why you'd take it that way.

> While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems 
> this forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, 
> as it stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as 
> writing an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with 
> the level of abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may 
> notice I insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.
>
> I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the 
> line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.

With rampant hyperbole like this, you're only worsening the 
statistic you mentioned. You've been doing this in nearly every 
post you've made on this NewsGroup. You're definitely not going 
to have a pleasant experience at this rate. I'd like to engage in 
constructive conversation about any issue you may have with D and 
the D ecosystem, but you're hardly making it easy for us.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On Monday, 30 July 2012 at 16:31:07 UTC, Stuart wrote:

You can't except whole community to take responsibility for 
couple people being rude.

Bernard is very helpful and cool guy but he gets high sometimes, 
q66 is just q66, he tends to add fuel to the fire ech :)

I can't help you about DFL but I can say about my experience with 
GUI development with D.

I wrote couple medium-size GUI applications with D using GtkD.
It scales quite well, and with help of gtk-wimp it gives it 
"native" look on windows too. Also with Glide and GTK-Builder its 
possible to make RAD, Glide is quite good GUI builder.

Although I need to mentioned that I had no experience with 
Windows 8 yet.

Qt or WxWidgets would be best solutions but again, there is more 
manpower required to make those boats float. Last time I checked 
WxD with minor tweaks worked with wx2.9 (cocoa support :D) and 
works completely fine with wx2.8

About IDE thingy, I really love Mono-D, it works great for me and 
I can recommend
it to anyone. If you are having problems with it, please report 
bug on https://github.com/aBothe/Mono-D - Alex is **BLAZING** 
fast on fixing stuff, trust me.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On 08/01/12 03:39, q66 wrote:
>> Bernard's reaction was entirely reasonable, spewing ignorant bullshit all around and then being like "hurr durr i have a bsc from software engineering, no wai" deserves no better.
> 
> By the way, he's only proving what I said with these "hurrr I'm gonna leave" responses (not that it wasn't apparent before). With this attitude, I can say only one thing: "fuck off faggot"

Can we please keep our low-brow insults a bit higher-brow than sexual slurs? This is, after all, not quite yet /b/.
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On 08/01/12 04:50, Stuart wrote:
> If this kind of abuse is indicative of the "D community", I'll keep my help to myself.

If this kind of response is indicative of the way you deal with mild abrasiveness, you're very very welcome to.

> Perhaps not, but he's certainly lowering my opinion of this forum and its members. I would like to point out AGAIN that my claim of a BSc in Software Engineering was not bragging; but simply a statement that I was not "ignorant" of the general principles of coding and of C/C++. I fail to see why it has immediately earned me large amounts of abuse.

Having a BSc in SE has only tangential connection to being able to write good code.

> While I appreciate the help of some people on here, it seems this forum is populated at least 50% by complete cocks. Also, as it stands, D is NOT USABLE for any serious purpose (such as writing an application); and I'm not prepared to put up with the level of abuse and trolling that's coming my way. You may notice I insulted nobody who didn't insult me first.

I think if you left at this point, it'd make this place better.

> I don't mind a bit of banter and bad language, but I draw the line at personal attacks. Either they stop or I do.

Fine: your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Also, farts are had in your approximate area. Please stop now?
August 01, 2012
Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors
On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 03:24:43 UTC, Chris Cain wrote:
> Even now there are people trying to extend olive branches to 
> you even though you continue to be insulting.

Insulting only the people who have insulted me.

> You seem to be wound tight and there's no sense in taking your
> frustrations out on your fellow programmers like this.

I'm not. I'm taking out my frustrations on the people who are 
telling me to fuck off. I have no problem with those of you who 
have been reasonable.
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