On 3/13/12 12:28 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Another thing is Flash. Almost *everyone* uses JS to embed flash. But *it's
> not needed*! I embed Flash with pure HTML and it works perfectly fine. Don't
> even need any server-side code!

I thought that using JS to load Flash was to avoid Eolas lawsuits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eolas, Workarounds section.

"David Gileadi" <gileadis@NSPMgmail.com> wrote in message news:jjo7vn$648$1@digitalmars.com...
> On 3/13/12 12:28 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> Another thing is Flash. Almost *everyone* uses JS to embed flash. But
>> *it's
>> not needed*! I embed Flash with pure HTML and it works perfectly fine.
>> Don't
>> even need any server-side code!
>
> I thought that using JS to load Flash was to avoid Eolas lawsuits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eolas, Workarounds section.

Ugh, working for the USPTO should be a capital offense. So should submitting an application for a software patent.

On 03/13/2012 03:15 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>
> That's not even an accurate comparison anyway. Disabling CSS never does much
> to improve things, and usually it'll just make things *far* worse.

I disable CSS frequently in Mozilla: View -> Page Style -> No Style. This fixes a lot of annoying styles that don't respect my font settings or don't display well based on the width of my browser screen.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:50:38 -0400, Era Scarecrow <rtcvb32@yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Let's assume you make a site for power users, those who want to buy computer parts and books and related stuff like that. Now if you require JS to have it run, and all the power users refuse to use JS, you've just killed all your customers. a 6 Million customers with orders which could get hundreds of millions of dollars, lost because a non-JS wasn't offered. Don't know about you, but 6 millions people could make or break your business (Just my opinion).

All the arguments that say you shouldn't require javascript seem to center around some estimated (and frankly, wildly exaggerated) number of people who have disabled javascript *and* won't turn it on to use a specific site.  It seems you all have ignored or discredited the data I quoted which is *actual measured data*.

If we can't agree on facts, it seems we can't really have a rational argument, so I'll respectfully step away from this.

-Steve