Hello,
is there somebody who works on an open source integrated
developement environment written in D?
I have heared of Poseiden, but nobody works actively on it, right?

Regards Trvhgoy

On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 09:47:09 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
> Hello,
> is there somebody who works on an open source integrated
> developement environment written in D?
> I have heared of Poseiden, but nobody works actively on it, right?
>
> Regards Trvhgoy

From the looks of the dsource page, poseidon hasn't had any attention in a few years.

D-IDE (http://d-ide.sourceforge.net/) is in active development, but it's windows only.

Visual D (https://github.com/rainers/visuald http://www.dsource.org/projects/visuald) is an extension for VisualStudio, almost entirely written in D

On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 11:48:59 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 09:47:09 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
>> Hello,
>> is there somebody who works on an open source integrated
>> developement environment written in D?
>> I have heared of Poseiden, but nobody works actively on it, right?
>>
>> Regards Trvhgoy
>
> From the looks of the dsource page, poseidon hasn't had any attention in a few years.
>
> D-IDE (http://d-ide.sourceforge.net/) is in active development, but it's windows only.
>
> Visual D (https://github.com/rainers/visuald http://www.dsource.org/projects/visuald) is an extension for VisualStudio, almost entirely written in D

Thanks for your answer.

D-IDE is written in .NET, so not interesting for me.
Visual D is windows only too, right? I'm looking for a
cross-plattform stand alone solution (at least theoretical
cross-plattform).

Maybe I should have a look at Poseidon. Better than nothing. :)
Is it right, that DWT is not further developed?
The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?

On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 16:34:27 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
> The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?

Please look at http://wiki.dlang.org/IDEs

> Is it right, that DWT is not further developed?
> The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?

GtkD works for me, the most mature framework IMO. DWT never quite made it. All other options have been discontinued as far as I know, like for example wxD. IUPD would have been interesting. Cf. http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/. Like Gtk, it is written in C, so maybe you can write your own D interface. The API is not big, they say.

On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 16:34:27 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 11:48:59 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
>> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 09:47:09 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> is there somebody who works on an open source integrated
>>> developement environment written in D?
>>> I have heared of Poseiden, but nobody works actively on it, right?
>>>
>>> Regards Trvhgoy
>>
>> From the looks of the dsource page, poseidon hasn't had any attention in a few years.
>>
>> D-IDE (http://d-ide.sourceforge.net/) is in active development, but it's windows only.
>>
>> Visual D (https://github.com/rainers/visuald http://www.dsource.org/projects/visuald) is an extension for VisualStudio, almost entirely written in D
>
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> D-IDE is written in .NET, so not interesting for me.

Woops sorry, I thought D-IDE was written in D, my mistake.

On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 22:19:35 UTC, Chris wrote:
>> Is it right, that DWT is not further developed?
>> The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?
>
> GtkD works for me, the most mature framework IMO. DWT never quite made it. All other options have been discontinued as far as I know, like for example wxD. IUPD would have been interesting. Cf. http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/. Like Gtk, it is written in C, so maybe you can write your own D interface. The API is not big, they say.

gtk has lots of bugs and glitches especially on OS X. i hate using xamarin studio and mono-d, but unfortunately there is no other tools with good enough autocomplete for mac(and i think linux too). so it looks like we need a truly D UI(not wrapper) first.

On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 at 03:49:36 UTC, evilrat wrote:
> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 22:19:35 UTC, Chris wrote:
>>> Is it right, that DWT is not further developed?
>>> The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?
>>
>> GtkD works for me, the most mature framework IMO. DWT never quite made it. All other options have been discontinued as far as I know, like for example wxD. IUPD would have been interesting. Cf. http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/. Like Gtk, it is written in C, so maybe you can write your own D interface. The API is not big, they say.
>
> gtk has lots of bugs and glitches especially on OS X. i hate using xamarin studio and mono-d, but unfortunately there is no other tools with good enough autocomplete for mac(and i think linux too). so it looks like we need a truly D UI(not wrapper) first.

Or, you could provide autocompletion with a standalone program that's called by whatever text editor you already use. Go has GoCode (https://github.com/nsf/gocode) which shows that this sort of thing is possible. I have a theory that something similar can be done for D.

On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 at 03:49:36 UTC, evilrat wrote:
> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 22:19:35 UTC, Chris wrote:
>>> Is it right, that DWT is not further developed?
>>> The only stable option I know is GtkD. Is there any others?
>>
>> GtkD works for me, the most mature framework IMO. DWT never quite made it. All other options have been discontinued as far as I know, like for example wxD. IUPD would have been interesting. Cf. http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/. Like Gtk, it is written in C, so maybe you can write your own D interface. The API is not big, they say.
>
> gtk has lots of bugs and glitches especially on OS X. i hate using xamarin studio and mono-d, but unfortunately there is no other tools with good enough autocomplete for mac(and i think linux too). so it looks like we need a truly D UI(not wrapper) first.

Two important things that I miss in D are a D UI, as you said, and a really good IDE (written in D, stand alone, cross-plattform, open source, modern features and so on).
I would offer time for developing these things, cause I think it would be a great contribution to the D toolchain and would boost the popularity of D.

But I dont know any interesting project.
The UIs are "just" wrappers and the active IDEs are "just" extensions.
I dont wanna say that these projects are poor. I see the hard work people invest in it. But these projects aren't what I'm searching for.

On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 at 05:46:42 UTC, Trvhgoy wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 July 2013 at 03:49:36 UTC, evilrat wrote:
>> On Monday, 29 July 2013 at 22:19:35 UTC, Chris wrote:

> Two important things that I miss in D are a D UI, as you said,

Choice of a good toolkit is a long discussion.

See this thread: http://forum.dlang.org/thread/vtaufckbpdkpuxyztyoi@forum.dlang.org

and my own suggestion therein:

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/vtaufckbpdkpuxyztyoi@forum.dlang.org?page=10#post-ksirfxsiejlweyhomwmh:40forum.dlang.org

that is, the FOX toolkit (http://fox-toolkit.org/goals.html).

AFAICT, the choice to take SWT (or other famous toolkit) and fork it, then port it to D (such as DWT is), is not the best option. For a simple reason. The D port will always be compared against the original toolkit, which will be almost always more advanced and a moving target. People tend to go with the brand, especially if the brand is well-known. It is a marketing paradigm.

OTOH, a good, but rather anonymous toolkit will be more appropriate, at least for the following reasons:

- a D-ported version of it won't be shaded by the original
- evolution is slower, so not a fast-moving target
- the team behind that toolkit will be more than glad to help, as their toolkit will gain in popularity, and could even be converted to D-development (instead of C or C++ or whatever)

> and a really good IDE (written in D, stand alone, cross-plattform, open source, modern features and so on).

Before going into that, the toolkit should be chosen. And, obviously, the IDE should be written with the help of that toolkit. It will not be just a useful tool, but also a showroom for the toolkit (just like Borland's IDEs were for TurboVision and, later, OWL).