OK, not really perish - just move back to std.c.stdio ?


Having it "implicitly" defined in object.d only:

1) Promotes old bad D coding behaviour
   ("forgetting" to import std.c.stdio)
2) Makes moving to writef seem harder
   (since you have to import std.stdio)
3) Adds bloat to the std/Phobos library
   (by linking in the floating-point stuff)

Might as well remove the print() methods, as well...
Perhaps even move all of Phobos over to using writef ?


It should *definitely* be out before any "D 1.0" release.

--anders


PS. It's used all over the place:

    http://www.digitalmars.com/d/overview.html
    http://www.digitalmars.com/d/wc.html
    http://www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

    object.printf: "Die! Die! Die!"

    http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?digitalmars.D.bugs/255
    http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?digitalmars.D.bugs/3170
    http://www.digitalmars.com/drn-bin/wwwnews?digitalmars.D.bugs/3438

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> OK, not really perish - just move back to std.c.stdio ?
> 
> 
> Having it "implicitly" defined in object.d only:
> 
> 1) Promotes old bad D coding behaviour
>    ("forgetting" to import std.c.stdio)
> 2) Makes moving to writef seem harder
>    (since you have to import std.stdio)
> 3) Adds bloat to the std/Phobos library
>    (by linking in the floating-point stuff)
> 
> Might as well remove the print() methods, as well...
> Perhaps even move all of Phobos over to using writef ?

It seems to be mostly used in unit tests.

I think we really need some way of importing stdio only during unit tests. Since you can do
  debug import std.stdio;
how about something like:
  unittest import std.stdio;
or allow:
unittest {
  import std.stdio;
}
or at the very least, define version UnitTest so that you can write:
version(UnitTest) {
  import std.stdio;
}
It is common for unit tests to have dependencies which are different from the rest of the module.

In any case, I agree that this should be a 1.0 feature removal.

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> PS. It's used all over the place:
> 
>     http://www.digitalmars.com/d/overview.html
>     http://www.digitalmars.com/d/wc.html
>     http://www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

Also used here http://www.digitalmars.com/d/code_coverage.html