On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:22:51 -0800, Gregor Richards <Richards@codu.org> wrote:

> Anders F Björklund wrote:
>> Gregor Richards wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, does Mac not use GNU Binutils for ld?  If not, I'll have to adjust slightly the backend to work properly.
>>>
>>> There were some changes to bu[il]d that required the addition of some flags for GNU ld.  I didn't realize that Mac doesn't use GNU ld.  My apologies.
>>  Not a problem, but no it doesn't: "ld - Mach object file link editor"
>>  The other problem is easier to fix, just run ranlib on the static lib.
>>  --anders
>
> I've made some changes and I think it should be less of an issue now - may still need to add ranlib support to the internal bu[il]d. Anyway, I will probably release DSSS 0.4 (much later) today or tomorrow, and it should have Mac support.
>
>   - Gregor Richards


I don't know, Gregor.  You seem to be slowing down.  What's with that?

-JJR

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:53:06 -0800, Gregor Richards wrote:

> 
> DSSS and more information on it are available from http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss .
> 
Gregor, DSSS is a great tool.  Here's my comments:

I installed and built DSSS - I did need to download SVN first otherwise Makefile.dmd.win failed.  I have been using TortoiseSVN not command line SVN.  Once I got past that it was fine.

I then tried to install mango.  The first time I ran it SVN sync'd the source and then I got an error.  I tried it again and I got the same error:

C:\dsss>dsss net install mango
Synchronizing...
Working in c:\dsss\tmp\DSSS_mango
+ svn co http://svn.dsource.org/projects/mango/trunk
Checked out revision 932.
+ curl http://svn.dsource.org/projects/dsss/sources/mango.diff -o
mango.diff
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
Speed
100  3455  100  3455    0     0   4765      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
0
patching file dsss.conf
Assertion failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5.9-src/patch.c, line 339

This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.
Tool mango is not installed.


Mark

Hah... true...has been YEARs since the last version has been released!

John Reimer wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:22:51 -0800, Gregor Richards <Richards@codu.org> wrote:
> 
>> Anders F Björklund wrote:
>>> Gregor Richards wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, does Mac not use GNU Binutils for ld?  If not, I'll have to adjust slightly the backend to work properly.
>>>>
>>>> There were some changes to bu[il]d that required the addition of some flags for GNU ld.  I didn't realize that Mac doesn't use GNU ld.  My apologies.
>>>  Not a problem, but no it doesn't: "ld - Mach object file link editor"
>>>  The other problem is easier to fix, just run ranlib on the static lib.
>>>  --anders
>>
>> I've made some changes and I think it should be less of an issue now - may still need to add ranlib support to the internal bu[il]d. Anyway, I will probably release DSSS 0.4 (much later) today or tomorrow, and it should have Mac support.
>>
>>   - Gregor Richards
> 
> 
> I don't know, Gregor.  You seem to be slowing down.  What's with that?
> 
> -JJR

Mark Wrenn wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:53:06 -0800, Gregor Richards wrote:
> 
> 
>>DSSS and more information on it are available from http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss .
>>
> 
> Gregor, DSSS is a great tool.  Here's my comments:
> 
> I installed and built DSSS - I did need to download SVN first otherwise
> Makefile.dmd.win failed.  I have been using TortoiseSVN not command line
> SVN.  Once I got past that it was fine.
> 
> I then tried to install mango.  The first time I ran it SVN sync'd the
> source and then I got an error.  I tried it again and I got the same error:
> 
> C:\dsss>dsss net install mango
> Synchronizing...
> Working in c:\dsss\tmp\DSSS_mango
> + svn co http://svn.dsource.org/projects/mango/trunk
> Checked out revision 932.
> + curl http://svn.dsource.org/projects/dsss/sources/mango.diff -o
> mango.diff
>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
> Current
>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
> Speed
> 100  3455  100  3455    0     0   4765      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
> 0
> patching file dsss.conf
> Assertion failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5.9-src/patch.c, line 339
> 
> This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
> way.
> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
> Tool mango is not installed.
> 
> 
> Mark

The patch Windows binary from GnuWin32 has failed me, I'm looking for another one.

And yes, DSSS requires SVN. Incidentally, you shouldn't /need/ to build it, there are binaries :)

 - Gregor Richards

Gregor Richards wrote:
> Mark Wrenn wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:53:06 -0800, Gregor Richards wrote:
>>
>>
>>> DSSS and more information on it are available from http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss .
>>>
>>
>> Gregor, DSSS is a great tool.  Here's my comments:
>>
>> I installed and built DSSS - I did need to download SVN first otherwise
>> Makefile.dmd.win failed.  I have been using TortoiseSVN not command line
>> SVN.  Once I got past that it was fine.
>>
>> I then tried to install mango.  The first time I ran it SVN sync'd the
>> source and then I got an error.  I tried it again and I got the same error:
>>
>> C:\dsss>dsss net install mango
>> Synchronizing...
>> Working in c:\dsss\tmp\DSSS_mango
>> + svn co http://svn.dsource.org/projects/mango/trunk
>> Checked out revision 932.
>> + curl http://svn.dsource.org/projects/dsss/sources/mango.diff -o
>> mango.diff
>>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
>> Current
>>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
>> Speed
>> 100  3455  100  3455    0     0   4765      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--
>> 0
>> patching file dsss.conf
>> Assertion failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5.9-src/patch.c, line 339
>>
>> This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
>> way.
>> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
>> Tool mango is not installed.
>>
>>
>> Mark
> 
> 
> The patch Windows binary from GnuWin32 has failed me, I'm looking for another one.
> 
> And yes, DSSS requires SVN. Incidentally, you shouldn't /need/ to build it, there are binaries :)
> 
>  - Gregor Richards

It looks from the tubes like patch.exe on Windows requires patch files to have Windows line endings, at least from some random post to a mailing list somewhere :)

Unfortunately, patch.exe doesn't work under Wine at all, so I can't test it :(

Anyway, I should be able to fix that fairly easily, expect a fix in 0.4.

 - Gregor Richards

Sean Kelly wrote:
> Don Clugston wrote:
>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>> Jesse Phillips wrote:
>>>> Working on testing it, so far so it. It is all installed and
>>>> downloading/installing wxd... hmm, not connecting. I try again when I
>>>> wake up.
>>>>
>>>> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/projects/dsss/sources'
>>>> svn: PROPFIND of '/projects/dsss/sources': could not connect to server
>>>> (https://svn.dsource.org)
>>>>
>>>> Gregor Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In response to BCS' questions from the 0.2 thread:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) What is <your_favorite_prefix>?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's your favorite prefix :).  Wherever you want to install DSSS.  /usr,
>>>>> /opt/d, /home/foo/d_stuff, /tmp/howdee, wherever you want.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should say <your_favorite_install_path>
>>>
>>> Maybe get rid of "your_favourite" too, since it has a danger of being interpreted as condescending and patronizing, which aren't good. Additionally, such attributes are usually not found in professional software. They try to be as neutral as possible.
>>
>> Agreed. "My Computer", "My Pictures", "My Documents" are classic examples of condescending, patronising, unprofessional software. Plus they have those annoying spaces in their names. <g>
> 
> That is easily among my top five greatest irritations with Windows. Though I think they are changing it in Vista.
> 
> 
> Sean

Huh...? Really? Why? What do you(plural) mean with condescending and patronizing, what's the problem with those names?

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

Gregor Richards wrote:
> (Oh, the joys of a young project, releasing new versions ridiculously often :) )
> 
> I have just released version 0.3 of DSSS, the D Shared Software System. I've changed the mirror infrastructure to use HTTP instead of Subversion, since plain HTTP provides a few advantages and Subversion's advantages aren't really necessary.  You should be able to upgrade without issues, it will transfer transparently.
> 
> I've also added a 'dsss net fetch' feature, which fetches sources from the net infrastructure without building them.
> 
> I feel compelled to make this point clear: DSSS supports CPAN-like features, but that is NOT the primary feature of DSSS.  DSSS is a system for the building, installation, configuration and acquisition of D software.  Please read the blurb on the home page :)
> 
> DSSS and more information on it are available from http://www.dsource.org/projects/dsss .
> 
> 

Correct me if I'm wrong. "DSSS is a system for the building, installation, configuration and acquisition of D software", but DSSS does not aim to be a generic build tool, am I correct? And thus it is not a replacement or generalization of make, but rather of "make install", so to say, which is a different story.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> Don Clugston wrote:
>>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>>> Jesse Phillips wrote:
>>>>> Working on testing it, so far so it. It is all installed and
>>>>> downloading/installing wxd... hmm, not connecting. I try again when I
>>>>> wake up.
>>>>>
>>>>> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/projects/dsss/sources'
>>>>> svn: PROPFIND of '/projects/dsss/sources': could not connect to server
>>>>> (https://svn.dsource.org)
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregor Richards wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In response to BCS' questions from the 0.2 thread:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) What is <your_favorite_prefix>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's your favorite prefix :).  Wherever you want to install DSSS.  /usr,
>>>>>> /opt/d, /home/foo/d_stuff, /tmp/howdee, wherever you want.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should say <your_favorite_install_path>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe get rid of "your_favourite" too, since it has a danger of being interpreted as condescending and patronizing, which aren't good. Additionally, such attributes are usually not found in professional software. They try to be as neutral as possible.
>>>
>>> Agreed. "My Computer", "My Pictures", "My Documents" are classic examples of condescending, patronising, unprofessional software. Plus they have those annoying spaces in their names. <g>
>>
>> That is easily among my top five greatest irritations with Windows. Though I think they are changing it in Vista.
> 
> Huh...? Really? Why? What do you(plural) mean with condescending and patronizing, what's the problem with those names?

It's the "My" prefix.  Drives me crazy.  I don't know why, it just seems condescending.


Sean

Sean Kelly wrote:
> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>> Don Clugston wrote:
>>>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>>>> Jesse Phillips wrote:
>>>>>> Working on testing it, so far so it. It is all installed and
>>>>>> downloading/installing wxd... hmm, not connecting. I try again when I
>>>>>> wake up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/projects/dsss/sources'
>>>>>> svn: PROPFIND of '/projects/dsss/sources': could not connect to server
>>>>>> (https://svn.dsource.org)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gregor Richards wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In response to BCS' questions from the 0.2 thread:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) What is <your_favorite_prefix>?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's your favorite prefix :).  Wherever you want to install DSSS.  /usr,
>>>>>>> /opt/d, /home/foo/d_stuff, /tmp/howdee, wherever you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you should say <your_favorite_install_path>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe get rid of "your_favourite" too, since it has a danger of being interpreted as condescending and patronizing, which aren't good. Additionally, such attributes are usually not found in professional software. They try to be as neutral as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. "My Computer", "My Pictures", "My Documents" are classic examples of condescending, patronising, unprofessional software. Plus they have those annoying spaces in their names. <g>
>>>
>>> That is easily among my top five greatest irritations with Windows. Though I think they are changing it in Vista.
>>
>> Huh...? Really? Why? What do you(plural) mean with condescending and patronizing, what's the problem with those names?
> 
> It's the "My" prefix.  Drives me crazy.  I don't know why, it just seems condescending.

I've always thought it was condescending and annoying, too. It's as if a person would be confused by "computer" or "pictures". ("Whose computer is this? Whose pictures are these?") And then the "my" helps. ("Oh, that's clearly *my* computer. And *my* pictures.")

It's a few extra characters (and a troublesome space) that don't really any needed meaning. But I'm sure Microsoft is just trying to help me because I'm so stupid. ;)

-- 
jcc7

Justin C Calvarese wrote:
> Sean Kelly wrote:
>> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>>> Don Clugston wrote:
>>>>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. "My Computer", "My Pictures", "My Documents" are classic examples of condescending, patronising, unprofessional software. Plus they have those annoying spaces in their names. <g>
>>>>
>>>> That is easily among my top five greatest irritations with Windows. Though I think they are changing it in Vista.
>>>
>>> Huh...? Really? Why? What do you(plural) mean with condescending and patronizing, what's the problem with those names?
>>
>> It's the "My" prefix.  Drives me crazy.  I don't know why, it just seems condescending.
> 
> I've always thought it was condescending and annoying, too. It's as if a person would be confused by "computer" or "pictures". ("Whose computer is this? Whose pictures are these?") And then the "my" helps. ("Oh, that's clearly *my* computer. And *my* pictures.")
> 
> It's a few extra characters (and a troublesome space) that don't really any needed meaning. But I'm sure Microsoft is just trying to help me because I'm so stupid. ;)
> 

I personally spend about three days every time I reinstall Windows to make sure that "My Documents" becomes "Personal".  This worked fine until Windows XP came along, which continuously REVERTS MY CHANGES!

I was not happy when I found this out.  It's "Personal" in most places, but keeps showing up as "My Documents".  Tell me, MS, what point is there in having this stuff in the registry if you're going to IGNORE IT?!

*huff* *huff*

Incidentally, I also make a point to store pictures in "Pictures", music in "Music", etc.  I'm really beginning to hate programs that default to the "blessed" locations instead of where I last close the dialog.

I tell ya; give me a flamethrower and the home addresses of the programmers responsible for this, and I'll get it sorted! :P

	-- Daniel "My Middle Name" Keep

-- 
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