February 20, 2022
On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 03:44:42 UTC, Paul Backus wrote:
> On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 20:26:45 UTC, Elronnd wrote:
>> On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 17:33:07 UTC, matheus wrote:
>>> By the way English isn't my first language but I think there is a small typo:
>>>
>>> "In D, such nuances are fewer, for header files are not required."
>>>
>>> I think it's missing the word "example":
>>>
>>> "In D, such nuances are fewer, for example header files are not required."
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>> I think it is fine as is.
>
> Yes, this is a perfectly correct use of "for" as a coordinating conjunction. [1] It may come across as a bit formal or old-fashioned, though—in normal speech, you'd usually use "since".
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> [1] https://writing.wisc.edu/handbook/grammarpunct/coordconj/

I read that the "for" as an equivalent of "because" was indeed almost extinct but was more or less resurrected by Tolkien as he used it throughout Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/566024/the-meaning-of-word-for-at-the-beginning-of-sentence


February 20, 2022

On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 10:58:57 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

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On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 09:58:39 UTC, Ogi wrote:

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On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 03:23:03 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

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So do I. I enjoy the unusual phrasings some ESL people use.

Translator here. Actually, that was our collective effort towards weird wording. The original translation I sent to Mike for editing stated “for once header files are not required”—I meant for instance but confused is with for once. Mike, instead of correcting it into for example or for instance, simply dropped once. Then I missed it when reviewing his edits.

Haha. I interpreted "for once" to mean "on this occasion", which seemed really out of context. "for" worked as a more general substitute for it. "for example" never crossed my mind. I'll change it.

Thought to be honest, given that the preceding sentence says "the difference between declaration and definition lose their meaning", it reads to me like "such nuances" refers to the nuances of header files, so to then say "for/because header files are not required" makes perfect sense. "for example, header files are not required" feels a little redundant from that perspective. But I've made the change anyway, for it fits from a different perspective :-)

February 20, 2022
On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 11:04:45 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:

> I read that the "for" as an equivalent of "because" was indeed almost extinct but was more or less resurrected by Tolkien as he used it throughout Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/566024/the-meaning-of-word-for-at-the-beginning-of-sentence

Yes, the Tolkienesque way of using "for" at the beginning of a sentence is rarely used anymore. But it is still sometimes used in modern writing to join two independent clauses together in a single sentence, usually for flavor.
February 20, 2022
On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 11:35:59 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 11:04:45 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
>
>> I read that the "for" as an equivalent of "because" was indeed almost extinct but was more or less resurrected by Tolkien as he used it throughout Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/566024/the-meaning-of-word-for-at-the-beginning-of-sentence
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> Yes, the Tolkienesque way of using "for" at the beginning of a sentence is rarely used anymore. But it is still sometimes used in modern writing to join two independent clauses together in a single sentence, usually for flavor.

The funny thing, as an English as third language learner (I grew up as French and German bilingual) Tolkienesque for never registered as something odd. It was only when a colleague, who happened to be a native english speaker, made a remark in one of my emails at work that I learnt about it.
February 20, 2022
On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 20:26:45 UTC, Elronnd wrote:
> On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 17:33:07 UTC, matheus wrote:
>> By the way English isn't my first language but I think there is a small typo:
>>
>> "In D, such nuances are fewer, for header files are not required."
>>
>> I think it's missing the word "example":
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>> "In D, such nuances are fewer, for example header files are not required."
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> I think it is fine as is.

Same. And my personal opinion is, even in general people should not be afraid to use old-fashioned language if they feel like it. It keeps the language colourful.

(Unless the old-fashioned language usage means using a deprecated programming language feature. Don't do that :D.)
February 20, 2022
On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 04:38:46 UTC, matheus wrote:

> Interesting, since English is not my first language, if in that sentence instead of "for" there was the word "since", I wouldn't have been bothered, but since it was the first time I saw the usage of "for" in that way, I found awkward.

"Forgive me father, for I have sinned."

February 25, 2022
On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 14:37:46 UTC, Stanislav Blinov wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 04:38:46 UTC, matheus wrote:
>
>> Interesting, since English is not my first language, if in that sentence instead of "for" there was the word "since", I wouldn't have been bothered, but since it was the first time I saw the usage of "for" in that way, I found awkward.
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> "Forgive me father, for I have sinned."

That's possibly the best example one could have given.
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