May be it can even retain messages for itself - for exclusive use by mailing list subscribers.

On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:

> looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
> don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...

Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface received both your and Artur Skawina's messages.

I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p

Ali

On 10 August 2013 21:11, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
>> looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
>> don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...
>
> Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface received both your and Artur Skawina's messages.
>
> I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p
>

Argh, those damned sun rays! :o)

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On 10 August 2013 21:11, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
>> looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
>> don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...
>
> Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface received both your and Artur Skawina's messages.
>
> I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p
>

Actually, looks like someone did something 4 hours ago... all messages look like they came through at once...

See: http://forum.dlang.org/post/lyxynylebjfzgdsalweo@forum.dlang.org


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On 10 August 2013 18:12, Johannes Pfau <nospam@example.com> wrote:
> Am Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:42:50 +0200
> schrieb "artur" <why.required@if.not.used>:
>
>> On Saturday, 10 August 2013 at 15:21:42 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> > Just had someone respond to a thread in D.gnu complaining that there had been no response for 15 days.  And if you look at the thread from forum.dlang.org, it would appear to be the case, however there were a few other responses that seem to have been lost.
>>
>> Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
>
> The gdc bugzilla messages for issue 72 and 73 also didn't appear in the newsgroup. Maybe that's the same problem?

Bugs 72 and 73 have appeared 4 hours ago also... so I guess "he who controls this server" restarted some service to kick some queue back into life. :)

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On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:
> >> Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
> > 
> > It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain was posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
> > 
> > Ali
> 
> My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...

gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filters out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to you. That's actually the #1 reason why I stopped using gmail. So, if you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:
>> >> Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
>> >
>> > It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain was posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
>> >
>> > Ali
>>
>> My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...
>
> gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filters out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to you. That's actually the #1 reason why I stopped using gmail. So, if you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.
>

You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's getting the confusion.  It's the fact that I *send* messages to, and *receive* responses from people who are using mail clients.  But via the web interface, no one could see this activity, which if you are some of the few that only use the web interface to communicate, you miss out in this way.

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On Sunday, August 11, 2013 02:25:33 Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >> On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:
> >> >> Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
> >> > 
> >> > It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain
> >> > was
> >> > posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
> >> > 
> >> > Ali
> >> 
> >> My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...
> > 
> > gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filters out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to you. That's actually the #1 reason why I stopped using gmail. So, if you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.
> 
> You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's getting the confusion.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?topic=1564

If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface rather than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threading that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't happen, since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someone who uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing was really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threads that I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using the web interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you just didn't notice for some reason.

But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker for me. It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badly it interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.

- Jonathan M Davis

>  It's the fact that I *send* messages to, and
> *receive* responses from people who are using mail clients.  But via
> the web interface, no one could see this activity, which if you are
> some of the few that only use the web interface to communicate, you
> miss out in this way.

I always use the mailing list.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 11 August 2013 02:37, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 11, 2013 02:25:33 Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg@gmx.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> >> On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali Çehreli <acehreli@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:
>> >> >> Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
>> >> >
>> >> > It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain
>> >> > was
>> >> > posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Ali
>> >>
>> >> My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...
>> >
>> > gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filters out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to you. That's actually the #1 reason why I stopped using gmail. So, if you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.
>>
>> You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's getting the confusion.
>
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?topic=1564
>
> If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface rather than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threading that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't happen, since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someone who uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing was really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threads that I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using the web interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you just didn't notice for some reason.
>
> But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker for me. It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badly it interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.
>

I guess one thing I make heavy use of filters which use tagging and archiving to make a pseudo folder structure. Essentially, all mail that matches my (fairly large and growing) filter list is archived and labelled.  So all messages that get sent from this ML - as well as my own postings, *always* skips the inbox and are archived as a de facto, but then are labelled as "D Mailing List".  It is also possible for threads to gain extra labels if certain keywords are used in them over time... :o)

Not sure if such a set-up would work with the local client, but yes, I use the web interface.

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On 8/10/2013 6:37 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface rather
> than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threading
> that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't happen,
> since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someone who
> uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing was
> really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threads that
> I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using the web
> interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you just
> didn't notice for some reason.
>
> But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker for me.
> It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badly it
> interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.

Your post here also broke the thread. Your post appears in reply to the initial post of the thread, rather than the post you actually replied to.