On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:55:13 -0700
John Reimer <brk_6502@NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> wrote:

> Brad Anderson wrote:
> > Yep.  I'm using 3.0M8 GTK on a Pentium M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ant wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <c92cgg$25ag$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Rick S. says...
> >>
> >>> I love eclipse and use it all the time. Unfortunatly I have never
> >>> written a
> >>> plugin for it, but I could definitly learn.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone uses eclipse on linux?
> >> I still find it unusable because it's so slow.
> >> (last try was probably 3.0M6, GTK version on a celeron 1.7)
> >>
> >> Ant
> >>
> >>
> 
> I've used 3.0M6 on a Pentium M 1.4 GHz.  It didn't appear to be that slow.  It is a rather big and bulky IDE, nonetheless.  The more plugins installed, the worse it gets.
> 
> What would be optimal is to have an Eclipse startup command that loads the Eclipse IDE ONLY with the d plugin installed (especially once it is more featureful).  That would keep bloat to a minimum, perhaps.
> 
> - John

there is an gcj compiled version of eclipse at
http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/. it is faster but not really fast.
i dont understand how someone develops with eclipse - i have an athlon
xp 3000+ but it is really really slow.
if you have rh 9 you can use the rpm's they provide if not you can
build it from source but this is not very easy.

Sebastian

I'm using Eclipse 3.0M8 GTK+ on an Athlon XP 2500+... I've found the speed to be fine- while programming at least.  Starting up does take some time, which is a pain while working on plugins.

Stripping down Eclipse to run just eclipseD (and CDT, since it'll probably depend on it) is not a terribly hard thing to do.  I don't see the point tho... If you're going to use an editor with just D capibility, why not use something like LEDS?  I like Eclipse because of the integrated version control, ability to program in many languages with it, and the selection of plugins for it.

BTW, Eclipse 3.0M9 is out.  I'm not using it yet since Subclipse doesn't have a download for 3.0M9 yet, and the one for 3.0M8 doesn't appear to work.

On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:07 +0200, Sebastian Czech wrote:

> On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:55:13 -0700
> John Reimer <brk_6502@NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Brad Anderson wrote:
>> > Yep.  I'm using 3.0M8 GTK on a Pentium M
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Ant wrote:
>> > 
>> >> In article <c92cgg$25ag$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Rick S. says...
>> >>
>> >>> I love eclipse and use it all the time. Unfortunatly I have never
>> >>> written a
>> >>> plugin for it, but I could definitly learn.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyone uses eclipse on linux?
>> >> I still find it unusable because it's so slow. (last try was probably
>> >> 3.0M6, GTK version on a celeron 1.7)
>> >>
>> >> Ant
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> I've used 3.0M6 on a Pentium M 1.4 GHz.  It didn't appear to be that slow.  It is a rather big and bulky IDE, nonetheless.  The more plugins installed, the worse it gets.
>> 
>> What would be optimal is to have an Eclipse startup command that loads the Eclipse IDE ONLY with the d plugin installed (especially once it is more featureful).  That would keep bloat to a minimum, perhaps.
>> 
>> - John
> 
> there is an gcj compiled version of eclipse at http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/. it is faster but not really fast. i dont understand how someone develops with eclipse - i have an athlon xp 3000+ but it is really really slow. if you have rh 9 you can use the rpm's they provide if not you can build it from source but this is not very easy.
> 
> Sebastian

DemmeGod wrote:
> I'm using Eclipse 3.0M8 GTK+ on an Athlon XP 2500+... I've found the speed
> to be fine- while programming at least.  Starting up does take some time,
> which is a pain while working on plugins.
> 
> Stripping down Eclipse to run just eclipseD (and CDT, since it'll probably
> depend on it) is not a terribly hard thing to do.  I don't see the point
> tho... If you're going to use an editor with just D capibility, why not
> use something like LEDS?  I like Eclipse because of the integrated version
> control, ability to program in many languages with it, and the selection
> of plugins for it.

Actually, you're right. Why strip down Eclipse just to use it for D? The way I see it, D development in Eclipse is only useful if a very full-featured D plugin is available for it.  Otherwise loading up that hulk of a IDE just for some language highlighting and project management seems like overkill to me.

Eclipse's multi-language support may be useful (though nothing new since multi-language support is available in many editors), but I don't see why people want to load up huge language environment plugins that they may not even use that frequently.  Maybe they just like knowing they're there :-).  So, yes, using a different, simpler low-resource IDE for D specific tasks would seem preferable.

> BTW, Eclipse 3.0M9 is out.  I'm not using it yet since Subclipse doesn't
> have a download for 3.0M9 yet, and the one for 3.0M8 doesn't appear to
> work.

Subclipse?  Is that a subversion client for Eclipse?  I didn't know it was even available yet.

> On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:07 +0200, Sebastian Czech wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:55:13 -0700
>>John Reimer <brk_6502@NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brad Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yep.  I'm using 3.0M8 GTK on a Pentium M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <c92cgg$25ag$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Rick S. says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I love eclipse and use it all the time. Unfortunatly I have never
>>>>>>written a
>>>>>>plugin for it, but I could definitly learn.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone uses eclipse on linux?
>>>>>I still find it unusable because it's so slow. (last try was probably
>>>>>3.0M6, GTK version on a celeron 1.7)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I've used 3.0M6 on a Pentium M 1.4 GHz.  It didn't appear to be that
>>>slow.  It is a rather big and bulky IDE, nonetheless.  The more plugins
>>>installed, the worse it gets.
>>>
>>>What would be optimal is to have an Eclipse startup command that loads
>>>the Eclipse IDE ONLY with the d plugin installed (especially once it is
>>>more featureful).  That would keep bloat to a minimum, perhaps.
>>>
>>>- John
>>
>>there is an gcj compiled version of eclipse at
>>http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/. it is faster but not really fast. i
>>dont understand how someone develops with eclipse - i have an athlon xp
>>3000+ but it is really really slow. if you have rh 9 you can use the rpm's
>>they provide if not you can build it from source but this is not very
>>easy.
>>
>>Sebastian
> 
> 

If you want to help out, make sure you have a copy of Eclipse3.0 SDK, preferably M8 or later, and start reading the PDE developer's guide, which is basically a tutorial to plugin development.  You can also get a copy of eclipseD using subversion- the repository address is on the site- download the trunk.  Shoot me an email (me@demmegod.com) once you've become aquainted.  I'm sure I can come up with something.

Work on eclipseD is a good way to become familiar with D's grammar, but it's not programming in D itself- although it will help D development to have a fully functioning eclipseD plugin.

Thanks

On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:18:42 -0500, Rick S. wrote:

> I love eclipse and use it all the time. Unfortunatly I have never written a plugin for it, but I could definitly learn. "DemmeGod" <me@demmegod.com> wrote in message news:pan.2004.05.26.06.04.48.572060@demmegod.com...
>> If you're familiar with the Eclipse editor and programming plugins for it, the eclipseD project on dsource.org could use an experienced Eclipse plugin writer... I'm new to Eclipse plugin writing.
>>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:16:26 -0500, Brad Anderson wrote:
>>
>> > How about visiting http://www.dsource.org and check out the projects there.  Pick one and contact the admin of the project to see how you can help.  Check the forums to see how development is progressing.
>> >
>> > DWT could use it, and has had some activity recently, trying to port Java's SWT to D.
>> >
>> > BA
>> >
>> > Rick S. wrote:
>> >> Hey, my name is Rick, I am a software engineering student at DePaul University and I just found out about D not to long ago. Im really interested in it and wanted to become more involved in the community.
> So
>> >> I just thought I would start by introducing myself on the newsgroup. As a newbie, does anyone have any suggestions on how I can become more involved in the development and growth of this language and community? Does anyone need any help on some projects that I could be of
> assistance
>> >> to? Even if its only a small amount, every bit counts and I would love to be of any help
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Rick
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>

Yes.  Subclipse is a subversion team provider for Eclipse.  It's really the only reason I'm _currently_ using Eclipse for D development. Hopefully I'll have more and better reasons for using it soon :)

On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:04:49 -0700, John Reimer wrote:

> DemmeGod wrote:
>> I'm using Eclipse 3.0M8 GTK+ on an Athlon XP 2500+... I've found the speed to be fine- while programming at least.  Starting up does take some time, which is a pain while working on plugins.
>> 
>> Stripping down Eclipse to run just eclipseD (and CDT, since it'll probably depend on it) is not a terribly hard thing to do.  I don't see the point tho... If you're going to use an editor with just D capibility, why not use something like LEDS?  I like Eclipse because of the integrated version control, ability to program in many languages with it, and the selection of plugins for it.
> 
> Actually, you're right. Why strip down Eclipse just to use it for D? The way I see it, D development in Eclipse is only useful if a very full-featured D plugin is available for it.  Otherwise loading up that hulk of a IDE just for some language highlighting and project management seems like overkill to me.
> 
> Eclipse's multi-language support may be useful (though nothing new since
> multi-language support is available in many editors), but I don't see why
> people want to load up huge language environment plugins that they may not
> even use that frequently.  Maybe they just like knowing they're there :-).
>  So, yes, using a different, simpler low-resource IDE for D specific tasks
> would seem preferable.
> 
>> BTW, Eclipse 3.0M9 is out.  I'm not using it yet since Subclipse doesn't have a download for 3.0M9 yet, and the one for 3.0M8 doesn't appear to work.
> 
> Subclipse?  Is that a subversion client for Eclipse?  I didn't know it was even available yet.
> 
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:07 +0200, Sebastian Czech wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:55:13 -0700
>>>John Reimer <brk_6502@NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brad Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yep.  I'm using 3.0M8 GTK on a Pentium M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <c92cgg$25ag$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Rick S. says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I love eclipse and use it all the time. Unfortunatly I have never
>>>>>>>written a
>>>>>>>plugin for it, but I could definitly learn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone uses eclipse on linux?
>>>>>>I still find it unusable because it's so slow. (last try was probably
>>>>>>3.0M6, GTK version on a celeron 1.7)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I've used 3.0M6 on a Pentium M 1.4 GHz.  It didn't appear to be that slow.  It is a rather big and bulky IDE, nonetheless.  The more plugins installed, the worse it gets.
>>>>
>>>>What would be optimal is to have an Eclipse startup command that loads the Eclipse IDE ONLY with the d plugin installed (especially once it is more featureful).  That would keep bloat to a minimum, perhaps.
>>>>
>>>>- John
>>>
>>>there is an gcj compiled version of eclipse at http://sources.redhat.com/eclipse/. it is faster but not really fast. i dont understand how someone develops with eclipse - i have an athlon xp 3000+ but it is really really slow. if you have rh 9 you can use the rpm's they provide if not you can build it from source but this is not very easy.
>>>
>>>Sebastian
>> 
>>