On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 08:06:24 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 07:53:54 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
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>> I went to a conference once where they had mixed live talks and prerecorded talks - questions where taken at the end to the speaker of the prerecorded talk via a sip call.
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>> The organisers at the end admitted that the prerecorded talks experiment failed. No one really paid attention to any of the content in it.
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> Did anybody pay attention to the live talks either? ;) That's the real comparison.
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> Anyway, the reason I'm giving to prerecord talks is so you can watch them on your own time before the conference. Watching prerecorded talks with everybody else at a conference is layering stupid on top of stupid. :D

Sure, but you really think it's an appropriate use of my free time spending 22 hours (which may as well be half a month) watching prerecorded talks instead of contributing?

On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 08:54:29 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 08:06:24 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 07:53:54 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> Did anybody pay attention to the live talks either? ;) That's the real comparison.
>>
>> Anyway, the reason I'm giving to prerecord talks is so you can watch them on your own time before the conference. Watching prerecorded talks with everybody else at a conference is layering stupid on top of stupid. :D
>
> Sure, but you really think it's an appropriate use of my free time spending 22 hours (which may as well be half a month) watching prerecorded talks instead of contributing?

That's a strange question: do you prefer being forced to sit through all 22 hours live at DConf? At least with pre-recorded talks, you have a choice of which ones to watch.

On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 08:06 +0000, Joakim via Digitalmars-d wrote:
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> The link in my OP links to a guy who maintained a spreadsheet of Apple-related conferences as evidence. He lists several that went away and says nothing replaced them. If you don't even examine the evidence provided, I'm not sure why we should care about your opinions.

So Apple conferences are a dead end.

Python, C++, Go, Rust, all these languages have thriving conferences. You just have to look at the world-wide increase in the number of such conferences for the data required.

But then my opinion, and indeed my data, doesn't seem matter to you so we might as well just stop communicating since you are never going to change you mind about this issue, even though you are actually wrong.

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On Thursday, 4 October 2018 at 10:02:28 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 08:06 +0000, Joakim via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> […]
>> 
>> The link in my OP links to a guy who maintained a spreadsheet of Apple-related conferences as evidence. He lists several that went away and says nothing replaced them. If you don't even examine the evidence provided, I'm not sure why we should care about your opinions.
>
> So Apple conferences are a dead end.

Remember though that this is the top developer ecosystem on the planet right now, as iOS apps bring in more revenue than Android still.

> Python, C++, Go, Rust, all these languages have thriving conferences. You just have to look at the world-wide increase in the number of such conferences for the data required.
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> But then my opinion, and indeed my data, doesn't seem matter to you so we might as well just stop communicating since you are never going to change you mind about this issue, even though you are actually wrong.

I've presented evidence in a handy link, you give none.

I could be wrong about anything, including that the Earth is round and I'm not in the Matrix. But to convince me that I am, I'll need evidence, same as I've presented to you.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 14:49:31 +0000, bachmeier wrote:

> I think this is something that could be done *in addition to* DConf. I honestly don't think DConf is very effective at promoting D, except perhaps to a small sliver of the overall population of programmers, due to the content of most of the presentations. {This is not intended to be a criticism or a statement that anything about DConf should be changed.}

I'm within 20 minutes of two universities, a private college, and a community college; with another university 50 minutes away. At least four have CS departments (I don't know about the community college). With some sort of big event, I bet I could get space at one of them and get decent involvement from each school. I'm not in an area where regular meetups work well, but a one-time/annual large-ish event may get a good response.

If outreach is a current priority, then some sort of decentralized/global conference in addition to DConf might not be a bad idea.