On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:41:56PM +0000, Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make decisions about where to expend development efforts. Eventually Andrei gave his stamp of approval, the survey questions were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
> 
> Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
> 
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
[...]

I can't access the survey.  It causes my browser to hang at 100% CPU because of some JS issues, and it doesn't work without JS.


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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 17:42:29 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>
> I can't access the survey.  It causes my browser to hang at 100% CPU because of some JS issues, and it doesn't work without JS.

Not that's not a bug, but a feature (aka filter) ;-)

No seriously, this shouldn't happen (TypeForm is the biggest company in this survey game).
What browser do you use?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 05:56:29PM +0000, Seb via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 17:42:29 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > 
> > I can't access the survey.  It causes my browser to hang at 100% CPU because of some JS issues, and it doesn't work without JS.
> 
> Not that's not a bug, but a feature (aka filter) ;-)

LOL...


> No seriously, this shouldn't happen (TypeForm is the biggest company
> in this survey game).

I generally distrust large companies... but that's another topic. :-D


> What browser do you use?

Firefox 52.6.0-esr.


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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make decisions about where to expend development efforts. Eventually Andrei gave his stamp of approval, the survey questions were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
>
> Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/

If that were to be done again here are a few points that I'd improve:

- there are many occurences of open questions where I entered a text only to find that the next fixed-choice question was about what I had written. I therefore feel like open questions should be asked as late as possible.

- some questions introduce clear bias as they don't have a clear default exit path.

For example for "How would you rate the importance of having documentation and error messages translated into your native language?" I feel like english speakers should have a way to exit cleanly as clearly they are both more numerous than the counter part (I think) and less likely to feel a need for supporting other languages.

Similarly for the question "Would you or your company donate to the D Language Foundation (DLF)?" I feel like a "Maybe, I just don't feel like it right now" tag would have allowed distinguishing  between people that actually don't have the money but would donate otherwise and people that aren't opposed to the idea but prefer donating to other projects for example.

- I don't know if typeform allows it but sometimes having a link to the feature discussion or library reference would have been great. I didn't had to search many of them to actually know what the survey was talking about (which doesn't always indicate that I'm not concerned about the consequences of the change).

That said, it was a very complete survey, thanks to everybody involved in putting this up! I hope it'll be of some use to the foundation.

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make decisions about where to expend development efforts. Eventually Andrei gave his stamp of approval, the survey questions were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
>
> Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/

Submitted, though I think it's a good idea to create a library that take advantage of the GC. I am hype for the ability to implement your own custom Garbage collector.

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 19:31:27 UTC, Cym13 wrote:
> If that were to be done again here are a few points that I'd improve:
>
> - there are many occurences of open questions where I entered a text only to find that the next fixed-choice question was about what I had written. I therefore feel like open questions should be asked as late as possible.

Ok. Understood. I tried to avoid this, but I obviously (partially) failed.

> - some questions introduce clear bias as they don't have a clear default exit path.
>
> For example for "How would you rate the importance of having documentation and error messages translated into your native language?" I feel like english speakers should have a way to exit cleanly as clearly they are both more numerous than the counter part (I think) and less likely to feel a need for supporting other languages.
> ...

Good point! There are a few questions that already have logic jumps (e.g. you get only asked about your experience with the DTour if you actually said that you used it), but I obviously missed that one. It's too late for that one now, but I will definitely keep this in mind for 2019.

(also TypeForms so called "smart" jumps are severely limited, but you got to use what you have.)

> - I don't know if typeform allows it but sometimes having a link to the feature discussion or library reference would have been great. I didn't had to search many of them to actually know what the survey was talking about (which doesn't always indicate that I'm not concerned about the consequences of the change).

TypeForm only allows a general description for questions which very limited Markdown (not even link support, only raw links).
Anyhow, the feedback: "better descriptions" for questions is noted. Thanks!

> That said, it was a very complete survey, thanks to everybody involved in putting this up! I hope it'll be of some use to the foundation.

Thanks! I hope so too!

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:01:16 UTC, Seb wrote:
> Thanks! I hope so too!

Is there some way to access the results without retaking the survey?

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:24:00 UTC, JN wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 20:01:16 UTC, Seb wrote:
>> Thanks! I hope so too!
>
> Is there some way to access the results without retaking the survey?

Yeah the link TypeForm generates at the end is permanent:

https://dlang.typeform.com/report/H1GTak/PY9NhHkcBFG0t6ig

though for some reason it doesn't show full-text answers (I have opened a support ticket for that a while ago).
Anyhow, as Mike said we will look at all answers and do a summary once the survey concluded.

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 at 13:41:56 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make decisions about where to expend development efforts. Eventually Andrei gave his stamp of approval, the survey questions were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
>
> Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog:
> https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/

Done! Great initiative!

I'm glad to see how things are moving in DLang recently! :-P

On 28 February 2018 at 05:41, Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d-announce <digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com> wrote:
> About a month ago, Sebastian Wilzbach sent an email out to a few of the core D folks asking for feedback on a survey he had put together. He thought it would be useful for the Foundation to use in order to make decisions about where to expend development efforts. Eventually Andrei gave his stamp of approval, the survey questions were tweaked, and then it was ready to roll.
>
> Of course I would love for you to read my blog post announcing it, but if you want to skip the prose and go straight to the good stuff, here's the survey link:
>
> https://seb134.typeform.com/to/H1GTak
>
> The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2018/02/28/the-state-of-d-2018-survey/
>
> Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/80w29n/the_state_of_d_2018_survey/

WTF spaces!!! O_O