Hello,


Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing bugs. I am mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would be to use community input.

We currently have 10 votes limit per user. This number was meaningful when D had few users, but now that there are more users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of statistics.

To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number of votes per person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of the pain that people are incurring for each bug.

Let me know of what you think.


Andrei

I think that until there's clear evidence that bug vote count influences the order in which bugs are fixed, it's all rather disheartening to the user base.  Many of the most highly voted on bugs have been that way since voting was turned on.

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing bugs. I am mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would be to use community input.
> 
> We currently have 10 votes limit per user. This number was meaningful when D had few users, but now that there are more users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of statistics.
> 
> To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number of votes per person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of the pain that people are incurring for each bug.
> 
> Let me know of what you think.
> 
> 
> Andrei
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Considering the fact that votes are so precious and, as Brad points out, there has been no visible priority given to them. I'd say the 19 bugs with over 5 votes should be tackled first.

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=votes&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=greaterthan&value0-0-0=5

Then possibly upping the count could be considered beneficial.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing bugs. I am mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would be to use community input.
>
> We currently have 10 votes limit per user. This number was meaningful when D had few users, but now that there are more users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of statistics.
>
> To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number of votes per person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of the pain that people are incurring for each bug.
>
> Let me know of what you think.
>
>
> Andrei
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-- 
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. ? - George Bernard Shaw

All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs instead of top 10.


Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a bug, but I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I previously voted for that was closed.  So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote limit.  If you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.

The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user gets 10 votes. I'd say leave it as is.

-Steve



----- Original Message ----
> From: Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com>
> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>; Discuss the
>internals of DMD <dmd-internals at puremagic.com>
> Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:39:57 PM
> Subject: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing  bugs. I am
>mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would  be to use community input.
> 
> We currently have 10 votes limit per user.  This number was meaningful when D
>had few users, but now that there are more  users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of  statistics.
> 
> To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number  of votes per
>person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of  the pain that people are incurring for each bug.
> 
> Let me know of what you  think.
> 
> 
> Andrei
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> http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
> 

If we want a more analog system, I'd say give every user 100 votes and allow more than one to be used on a single bug.  This way, bugs that are a huge PITA can can be given a lot of votes and ones that are a little annoying can be given a few, instead of each user having to make an all-or-nothing decision.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Steve Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com>wrote:

> All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs instead
> of top
> 10.
>
>
> Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a bug,
> but
> I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I previously
> voted
> for that was closed.  So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote limit.
>  If
> you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.
>
> The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user gets 10
> votes.
> I'd say leave it as is.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com>
> > To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>; Discuss the
> >internals of DMD <dmd-internals at puremagic.com>
> > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:39:57 PM
> > Subject: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing  bugs. I am
> >mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would  be to
> use
> >community input.
> >
> > We currently have 10 votes limit per user.  This number was meaningful
> when D
> >had few users, but now that there are more  users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of  statistics.
> >
> > To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number  of votes
> per
> >person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of  the
> pain
> >that people are incurring for each bug.
> >
> > Let me know of what you  think.
> >
> >
> > Andrei
> > _______________________________________________
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> > phobos at puremagic.com
> > http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
> >
>
>
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You've actually had bugs with votes fixed?  I've had a grand total of one, if I remember right.  Admitedly, I don't look around for things to vote on much.  I tend to just work on the bugs that I care about.

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Steve Schveighoffer wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:01:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> Subject: Re: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> 
> All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs instead of top 10.
> 
> 
> Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a bug, but I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I previously voted for that was closed.  So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote limit.  If you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.
> 
> The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user gets 10 votes. I'd say leave it as is.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com>
> > To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>; Discuss the
> >internals of DMD <dmd-internals at puremagic.com>
> > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:39:57 PM
> > Subject: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > 
> > Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing  bugs. I am
> >mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would  be to use community input.
> > 
> > We currently have 10 votes limit per user.  This number was meaningful when D
> >had few users, but now that there are more  users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of  statistics.
> > 
> > To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number  of votes per
> >person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of  the pain that people are incurring for each bug.
> > 
> > Let me know of what you  think.
> > 
> > 
> > Andrei
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> 
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Noone is saying that bug voting should be completely democratic (or at least I don't think so).  Of course whoever is committing the time and effort has the final say.  IMHO the main purpose of voting is to shine attention on bugs that might otherwise be overlooked, not to "force" people to fix the bugs with the highest vote total.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Brad Roberts <braddr at puremagic.com> wrote:

> You've actually had bugs with votes fixed?  I've had a grand total of one, if I remember right.  Admitedly, I don't look around for things to vote on much.  I tend to just work on the bugs that I care about.
>
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Steve Schveighoffer wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:01:20 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Steve Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> > To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> > Subject: Re: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> >
> > All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs instead
> of top
> > 10.
> >
> >
> > Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a bug,
> but
> > I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I previously
> voted
> > for that was closed.  So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote limit.
>  If
> > you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.
> >
> > The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user gets 10
> votes.
> > I'd say leave it as is.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com>
> > > To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>; Discuss
> the
> > >internals of DMD <dmd-internals at puremagic.com>
> > > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:39:57 PM
> > > Subject: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing  bugs. I
> am
> > >mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it would  be
> to use
> > >community input.
> > >
> > > We currently have 10 votes limit per user.  This number was meaningful
> when D
> > >had few users, but now that there are more  users and reporters (and bug reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of  statistics.
> > >
> > > To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number  of votes
> per
> > >person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of  the
> pain
> > >that people are incurring for each bug.
> > >
> > > Let me know of what you  think.
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrei
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> >
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Bugs have a severity field.  I'd say use that.

-Steve


>
>From: David Simcha <dsimcha at gmail.com>
>To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
>Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 4:04:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
>
>If we want a more analog system, I'd say give every user 100 votes and allow more than one to be used on a single bug.  This way, bugs that are a huge PITA can can be given a lot of votes and ones that are a little annoying can be given a few, instead of each user having to make an all-or-nothing decision.
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On 8 December 2010 22:01, Steve Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs instead of top 10.
>
>
> Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a bug, but I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I previously voted for that was closed. ?So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote limit. ?If you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.
>
> The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user gets 10 votes. I'd say leave it as is.
>
> -Steve

I agree. Note that there are currently 67 voted bugs in bugzilla, which have already been fixed.  7 of these have 5 or more votes.

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&votes=1&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&component=DMD&product=D

Really, I think a bigger issue is getting bugs with patches closed. There's about 100 open bugs with patches. I don't know what fraction of them are good patches, but it's a large number.

I would find it extremely helpful to have a bugzilla keyword "partial_patch" to mark those bugs with patches which are incomplete, or otherwise have problems.

Yes, that would be great.

Andrei

On 12/8/10 1:04 PM, David Simcha wrote:
> If we want a more analog system, I'd say give every user 100 votes and allow more than one to be used on a single bug.  This way, bugs that are a huge PITA can can be given a lot of votes and ones that are a little annoying can be given a few, instead of each user having to make an all-or-nothing decision.
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Steve Schveighoffer <schveiguy at yahoo.com <mailto:schveiguy at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     All upping the votes does is allow me to vote for my top 100 bugs
>     instead of top
>     10.
>
>
>     Every time I was about to exceed 9 votes (i.e. wanted to vote for a
>     bug, but
>     I've already voted for 9), there was inevitably a bug that I
>     previously voted
>     for that was closed.  So I haven't really even reached the 10 vote
>     limit.  If
>     you up to 100, you might as well make them unlimited.
>
>     The 10-vote system scales well with more users because each user
>     gets 10 votes.
>     I'd say leave it as is.
>
>     -Steve
>
>
>
>     ----- Original Message ----
>      > From: Andrei Alexandrescu <andrei at erdani.com
>     <mailto:andrei at erdani.com>>
>      > To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com
>     <mailto:phobos at puremagic.com>>; Discuss the
>      >internals of DMD <dmd-internals at puremagic.com
>     <mailto:dmd-internals at puremagic.com>>
>      > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 3:39:57 PM
>      > Subject: [phobos] Upping the number of bugzilla votes from 10 to 100
>      >
>      > Hello,
>      >
>      >
>      > Following the 64-bit release we'll focus generally on fixing
>       bugs. I am
>      >mulling over a good strategy for that, and I think part of it
>     would  be to use
>      >community input.
>      >
>      > We currently have 10 votes limit per user.  This number was
>     meaningful when D
>      >had few users, but now that there are more  users and reporters
>     (and bug
>      >reports, heh) we can start leveraging the power of  statistics.
>      >
>      > To that end, I think it would help if we increased the number  of
>     votes per
>      >person from 10 to 100. That would help us get a smooth function of
>       the pain
>      >that people are incurring for each bug.
>      >
>      > Let me know of what you  think.
>      >
>      >
>      > Andrei
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>      > http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
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>
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