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On 21 feb 2011, at 05:11, Sean Kelly wrote:

> OSX desktop won't virtualize--the vm vendors enforce the license. Could use OSX server instead, but...

Just for the record, there are ways around that.

> I'll sort out OSX testing this week with brad. It will just be a matter of some setup on my end.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Brad Roberts <braddr at puremagic.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/20/2011 6:00 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brad Roberts wrote:
>>>> On 2/20/2011 5:25 PM, David Simcha wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What's wrong with virtualization as a solution to the one-box-per-platform problem?  Just use your favorite OS as your host, get a ton of RAM, and run all the rest in VMs.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It's a solution, but not a great one.  The build runs are already cpu bound, so diving up the cpu's just means everything goes slower.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> My experience with virtual boxes is they get wiped out every time you do an update on the host. Extremely annoying. I use a separate box per OS. Something to do with the old machines around here :-)
>> 
>> Your experience, of once.  Let's just say that I've got a bit of experience running virtualized environments (I do work in amazon's ec2 org after all).  I'd consider it if I had boxes large enough to be worth subdividing.  On the other hand, freebsd until 8.2-rc1 (and pre-releases of 9, ie, no released) doesn't support running on xen.  osx's license doesn't allow running it virtualized, if I remember right.  That just leaves opensolaris which does run on top of xen, but I've never tried it myself.
>> 
>> Anyway.. just need to add osx, which Sean is helping with, and we'll have all of our primary platforms auto-testing d2.
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Jacob Carlborg wrote:
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> On 21 feb 2011, at 05:11, Sean Kelly wrote:
> 
> > OSX desktop won't virtualize--the vm vendors enforce the license. Could use OSX server instead, but...
> 
> Just for the record, there are ways around that.

Can you explain how?

Jens

You use a modified boot loader that emulates EFI, allowing to install Mac OS X on regular a PC. This works for virtual machines and real computers. Now with this said, this would require quite specific hardware that works with Mac OS X. The closer you can get to a real Mac the better. Let me know if you want some more information.

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On 21 feb 2011, at 19:40, Jens Mueller wrote:

> Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> 
>> -- 
>> /Jacob Carlborg
>> 
>> On 21 feb 2011, at 05:11, Sean Kelly wrote:
>> 
>>> OSX desktop won't virtualize--the vm vendors enforce the license. Could use OSX server instead, but...
>> 
>> Just for the record, there are ways around that.
> 
> Can you explain how?
> 
> Jens
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And done.. OSX/32 is part of the auto-tester fleet.  There's already benefit.. one of the druntime tests is failing. :)

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Sean Kelly wrote:

> I'll sort out OSX testing this week with brad. It will just be a matter of some setup on my end.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

I'd personally prefer that discussions about how to violate licence restrictions and other similar types of topics not occur here.  Take it elsewhere please.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:20:16 +0100
> From: Jacob Carlborg <doob at me.com>
> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> Subject: Re: [phobos] auto-tester update
> 
> You use a modified boot loader that emulates EFI, allowing to install Mac OS X on regular a PC. This works for virtual machines and real computers. Now with this said, this would require quite specific hardware that works with Mac OS X. The closer you can get to a real Mac the better. Let me know if you want some more information.
> 
> -- 
> /Jacob Carlborg
> 
> On 21 feb 2011, at 19:40, Jens Mueller wrote:
> 
> > Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> /Jacob Carlborg
> >> 
> >> On 21 feb 2011, at 05:11, Sean Kelly wrote:
> >> 
> >>> OSX desktop won't virtualize--the vm vendors enforce the license. Could use OSX server instead, but...
> >> 
> >> Just for the record, there are ways around that.
> > 
> > Can you explain how?
> > 
> > Jens
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With luck, I've just fixed the test.  It's that same timing-sensitive semaphore test.

On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Brad Roberts wrote:

> And done.. OSX/32 is part of the auto-tester fleet.  There's already benefit.. one of the druntime tests is failing. :)
> 
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Sean Kelly wrote:
> 
>> I'll sort out OSX testing this week with brad. It will just be a matter of some setup on my end.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Looks like it did indeed pass.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Sean Kelly wrote:

> With luck, I've just fixed the test.  It's that same timing-sensitive semaphore test.
> 
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Brad Roberts wrote:
> 
> > And done.. OSX/32 is part of the auto-tester fleet.  There's already benefit.. one of the druntime tests is failing. :)
> > 
> > On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Sean Kelly wrote:
> > 
> >> I'll sort out OSX testing this week with brad. It will just be a matter of some setup on my end.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
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Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> You use a modified boot loader that emulates EFI, allowing to install Mac OS X on regular a PC. This works for virtual machines and real computers. Now with this said, this would require quite specific hardware that works with Mac OS X. The closer you can get to a real Mac the better. Let me know if you want some more information.

I see. But I was looking for a legal way. Isn't the above illegal? If Mac OS X ran legally on my non Apple hardware I would buy it.

Jens

Sorry. Won't happen again.

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On 21 feb 2011, at 22:30, Brad Roberts wrote:

> I'd personally prefer that discussions about how to violate licence restrictions and other similar types of topics not occur here.  Take it elsewhere please.
> 
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> 
>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:20:16 +0100
>> From: Jacob Carlborg <doob at me.com>
>> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
>> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
>> Subject: Re: [phobos] auto-tester update
>> 
>> You use a modified boot loader that emulates EFI, allowing to install Mac OS X on regular a PC. This works for virtual machines and real computers. Now with this said, this would require quite specific hardware that works with Mac OS X. The closer you can get to a real Mac the better. Let me know if you want some more information.
>> 
>> -- 
>> /Jacob Carlborg
>> 
>> On 21 feb 2011, at 19:40, Jens Mueller wrote:
>> 
>>> Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> /Jacob Carlborg
>>>> 
>>>> On 21 feb 2011, at 05:11, Sean Kelly wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> OSX desktop won't virtualize--the vm vendors enforce the license. Could use OSX server instead, but...
>>>> 
>>>> Just for the record, there are ways around that.
>>> 
>>> Can you explain how?
>>> 
>>> Jens
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> phobos mailing list
>>> phobos at puremagic.com
>>> http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
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I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. We should drop this conversation now.

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On 22 feb 2011, at 10:10, Jens Mueller wrote:

> Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> You use a modified boot loader that emulates EFI, allowing to install Mac OS X on regular a PC. This works for virtual machines and real computers. Now with this said, this would require quite specific hardware that works with Mac OS X. The closer you can get to a real Mac the better. Let me know if you want some more information.
> 
> I see. But I was looking for a legal way. Isn't the above illegal? If Mac OS X ran legally on my non Apple hardware I would buy it.
> 
> Jens
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