I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment. Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.

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Although, I do not keep track of the dates that closely, but it is great that today is the 100th anniversary of manned, powered & controlled flying.


Walter wrote:
> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a
> fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment.
> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
> flying machine.
> 
> 


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Walter escreveu:
> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a
> fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment.
> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
> flying machine.
> 

More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont.

The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .

For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!

On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!


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"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak@ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE0E7EA.9000108@ig.com.br...
> Walter escreveu:
> > I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had
a
> > fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their
accomplishment.
> > Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.
> More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine."
> would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is
> attributed to Santos Dumont.
> The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier
> than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .

You're right, I should have added heavier than air.

> For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!

The 1903 Flyer was a marginal aircraft, and the Wrights themselves wrecked it the first try. But it did fly in 1903 - the picture proves it. The Flyer replica did fly on Dec. 4. http://www.newsobserver.com/firstinflight/story/3039258p-2780945c.html

> On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!

The Wrights made improved Flyers in 1904 http://www.nasm.si.edu/wrightbrothers/fly/1904/huffman.cfm and 1905 http://www.asme.org/history/roster/H224.html. See also http://wright.nasa.gov/airplane/air1905.html.

Cesar Rabak wrote:
> Walter escreveu:
> 
>> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a
>> fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment.
>> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
>> flying machine.
>>
> 
> More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont.
> 
> The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .

Hey, they had in on film in case you forgot about that!

> For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!

I saw some on TV. To me it looked like they had balance issue's. I do not know if they had any aircraft specialists out there, but without people with a bit of the proper knowledge is it not so easy to get that model of a plain to fly stable.

> On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!

Of course... Once you have it stable you can fly it any time!



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Surprise!

Still remember how I was enchanted by those aviation magazine when I was a boy, which led to my majoring in aircraft design...

Didn't know that they made the engine themselves, cool...

"Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> дÈëÓʼþ news:brqkb2$l8h$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their
accomplishment.
> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled flying machine.
>
>

Jan Knepper escreveu:
> Cesar Rabak wrote:
> 
>> Walter escreveu:
>>
>>> I started out in engineering as an aero engineer, and I have always had a
>>> fascination for the Wright brothers and the magnitude their accomplishment.
>>> Today is the 100th anniversary of the first manned, powered, controlled
>>> flying machine.
>>>
>>
>> More or less. . . "...first manned, powered, controlled flying machine." would be a complete description for a dirigible airship. This is attributed to Santos Dumont.
>>
>> The Wright brothers might have done it with the then called "heavier than air" apparatus, but their feat was not done in public. . .
> 
> 
> Hey, they had in on film in case you forgot about that!

I only read about the 1904 experiments being filmed, but, I cannot be sure since we have not all the info.

> 
>> For the records, the attempt of reproducing their flight today did not succeed. . .!
> 
> 
> I saw some on TV. To me it looked like they had balance issue's. I do not know if they had any aircraft specialists out there, but without people with a bit of the proper knowledge is it not so easy to get that model of a plain to fly stable.

You bet! Also, as Walter points out, the plane was a marginal aircraft. We have to concede they were pioneering!

> 
>> On the other hand, if you are patient, you can wait three more years and wait for the first worldwide recognized "hevier than air" flight made in 1906 (by the same Santos Dumont). The replica of this plane flies every year in fairs!
> 
> 
> Of course... Once you have it stable you can fly it any time!

The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered.


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"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak@ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE3A14D.3090306@ig.com.br...
> The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered.

The power was enough, the trouble was the stall speed wasn't that much slower than the speed at which the instability caused it to be uncontrollable. There was only a narrow speed range within which it would fly.

Walter escreveu:
> "Cesar Rabak" <csrabak@ig.com.br> wrote in message
> news:3FE3A14D.3090306@ig.com.br...
>
>> The other issue besides stability, it seems from literature I had
>> access (and IIRC from some info in the Wright Patterson Base Air
>> Museum), that for its aerodynamics that plane was underpowered.
>
>
> The power was enough, the trouble was the stall speed wasn't that
> much slower than the speed at which the instability caused it to be
> uncontrollable. There was only a narrow speed range within which it
> would fly.
>
>
I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane
that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . .


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[1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!

"Cesar Rabak" <csrabak@ig.com.br> wrote in message news:3FE499C2.7050906@ig.com.br...
> I see! When in school we did an exercise (drill) of another famous plane that had a short range between stall and max speed¹. . .
>
>
> [1] for the curious, it was a spy plane!


The U2, of course! By all accounts, it was a tough airplane to fly.