http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

"Walter Bright" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:e62iae$13et$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

That's some serious wootage.

Though what's with ColdFusion moving up to 20?  Wasn't that some kind of side-of-the-road web language in the late 90s?  Or has it had some kind of revival?  And Visual FoxPro too.. weird.

In article <e62qqh$1h7j$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Jarrett Billingsley says...
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>"Walter Bright" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:e62iae$13et$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>
>That's some serious wootage.

W00t.  We edged out Ruby.  Very nice.

>
>Though what's with ColdFusion moving up to 20?  Wasn't that some kind of side-of-the-road web language in the late 90s?  Or has it had some kind of revival?

I can personally attest to ColdFusions merits and flaws as I use it on a daily basis - its not pretty, but it does put food on the table.  AFAIK, its widely used on government contracts thanks to the forward-thinking individuals that put web applications in place there back in the early 90's - then it was the only game in town next to perl CGI and a very early rendition ASP.

It was revitalized when Macromedia acquired Aleris and basically saved the language from itself by reworking it as a J2EE web language (same niche as JSP). The Java backend has done a lot for enabling interop with superior tools and libraries (all Java), as well as making server admins much happier.  You can even compile CF apps down to .war files for deployment, or mix and match with jsp and vanilla Java code - so its like an alternate to the .NET stack for web applications.

As far as revivals are concerned, you might be right. Macromedia had quite the corporate blogroll and press for this product, and it looks like Adobe is continuing the tradition and live documentation.  CFMX7 just  came out, so maybe its here to stay for a while longer. :-/

- EricAnderton at yahoo

Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
> "Walter Bright" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:e62iae$13et$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
> 
> That's some serious wootage.
> 
> Though what's with ColdFusion moving up to 20?  Wasn't that some kind of side-of-the-road web language in the late 90s?  Or has it had some kind of revival?  And Visual FoxPro too.. weird. 
> 

I can't say why those have jumped up like they have, except to say that maybe it had something to do with TIOBE revising their query(ies) a while back.

I think both Cold Fusion and Foxpro still get some pretty heavy use out there - I suspect there's *a lot* of legacy applications still in use, and a lot of independent developers (CF) and small software shops (Foxpro) using them. Foxpro inherited a lot of the Dbase development back in the day. One just never sees them mentioned in IT magazines or taught at Uni. any more.

"Dave" <Dave_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message

> I can't say why those have jumped up like they have, except to say that maybe it had something to do with TIOBE revising their query(ies) a while back.

That's possible - I wiki'ed FoxPro, and in fact, it was only in December of last year that FoxPro even made it into the top 20.  So something weird had to have happened.

> I think both Cold Fusion and Foxpro still get some pretty heavy use out there - I suspect there's *a lot* of legacy applications still in use, and a lot of independent developers (CF) and small software shops (Foxpro) using them.

Yeah, my father does still do some FoxPro from time to time when he's working on some small bussiness's databases (he's been a database engineer for umpteen years..).

"pragma" <pragma_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:e62rul$1j08$1@digitaldaemon.com...

> W00t.  We edged out Ruby.  Very nice.

Damn, I just noticed that!  Take that, snooty esoteric interpreted languages!

> As far as revivals are concerned, you might be right. Macromedia had quite
> the
> corporate blogroll and press for this product, and it looks like Adobe is
> continuing the tradition and live documentation.  CFMX7 just  came out, so
> maybe
> its here to stay for a while longer. :-/

Bizarre.  I haven't even heard ColdFusion mentioned for years.

Dave wrote:
> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>> "Walter Bright" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:e62iae$13et$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>
>> That's some serious wootage.
>>
>> Though what's with ColdFusion moving up to 20?  Wasn't that some kind of side-of-the-road web language in the late 90s?  Or has it had some kind of revival?  And Visual FoxPro too.. weird.
> 
> I can't say why those have jumped up like they have, except to say that maybe it had something to do with TIOBE revising their query(ies) a while back.

I think it's got more to do with this:

http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~GettingGoogledForTheTiobeMetricsCount

I'm a little suspicious of the Tiobe metrics; there's clearly _some_ distortion happening.

> I think both Cold Fusion and Foxpro still get some pretty heavy use out there - I suspect there's *a lot* of legacy applications still in use, and a lot of independent developers (CF) and small software shops (Foxpro) using them. Foxpro inherited a lot of the Dbase development back in the day. One just never sees them mentioned in IT magazines or taught at Uni. any more.

Don Clugston wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
>>> "Walter Bright" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:e62iae$13et$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>>>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
>>>
>>> That's some serious wootage.
>>>
>>> Though what's with ColdFusion moving up to 20?  Wasn't that some kind of side-of-the-road web language in the late 90s?  Or has it had some kind of revival?  And Visual FoxPro too.. weird.
>>
>> I can't say why those have jumped up like they have, except to say that maybe it had something to do with TIOBE revising their query(ies) a while back.
> 
> I think it's got more to do with this:
> 
> http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~GettingGoogledForTheTiobeMetricsCount

Heh, heh - The few Foxpro developers I know are really pragmatic and getting together and "gaming TIOBE" for the good of Foxpro would be right up their alley <g> Hats off to them :)

The last updated date on that corresponds to when the "jump" started to happen, I think...

Still, it does speak to at least an active Foxpro community out there yet.

> 
> I'm a little suspicious of the Tiobe metrics; there's clearly _some_ distortion happening.
> 
>> I think both Cold Fusion and Foxpro still get some pretty heavy use out there - I suspect there's *a lot* of legacy applications still in use, and a lot of independent developers (CF) and small software shops (Foxpro) using them. Foxpro inherited a lot of the Dbase development back in the day. One just never sees them mentioned in IT magazines or taught at Uni. any more.

Dave schrieb am 2006-06-06:
> Don Clugston wrote:

>> I think it's got more to do with this:
>> 
>> http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~GettingGoogledForTheTiobeMetricsCount
>
> Heh, heh - The few Foxpro developers I know are really pragmatic and getting together and "gaming TIOBE" for the good of Foxpro would be right up their alley <g> Hats off to them :)

Let's see what impact some white hats have: http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?PromotingD

> The last updated date on that corresponds to when the "jump" started to happen, I think...
>
> Still, it does speak to at least an active Foxpro community out there yet.

from http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki%7ETiobeProgrammingLanguagePopularity
#
# VFP is actually above VB.NET and Cold Fusion now!
# Looks like the older languages have some sort of advantage there since
# Cobol is above vfp...
#
# and have simultaneously proved how irrelevant the site is. Still, it may
# get more people interested in using it.
#

Thomas

I have expected that to happen. I would not be surprised if D comes to top5 languages on TIOBE's TPCI list by the end of this year, and become #1 by the end of next year.

As an experienced C/C++ developer (12+ years of commercial experience) i can only say that D will become language of choice whenever I am the one who decides what language to chose. I have very good reasons to do so.

1) Perfect scope() solution. Seriously, scope() keyword is IMHO one of the best new things i have seen so far - it shortens the code a lot, and puts necessary code where it belongs.

2) Amazing template support with solved syntax ambiguities.

3) Delegates.

4) Real modules. Packages and interfaces.

5) super keyword

6) array slicing

7) utf8 support

... and many more.

The only thing i really miss is better thread support. I have already proposed changes (about lock() keyword, and better thread synchronisation tuning), but you Mr. Bright did not respond. :) Some other guys did and they did like what i proposed.

*I have no words to express my apriciation for what you have done so far, and gave us all that for free.

Thank you Walter!*

Kind regards to you and whole D community.

Dejan Lekic