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Forum Enhancement: Post a image
Jul 19, 2022
Hipreme
Jul 19, 2022
H. S. Teoh
Jul 19, 2022
Paul Backus
Jul 19, 2022
rikki cattermole
Jul 19, 2022
Ahmet Sait
Jul 19, 2022
ryuukk_
Jul 19, 2022
bachmeier
Jul 19, 2022
Ali
Jul 19, 2022
ryuukk_
Jul 19, 2022
Dennis
Jul 19, 2022
ryuukk_
Jul 19, 2022
Hipreme
Jul 19, 2022
Paul Backus
Jul 20, 2022
Hipreme
Jul 20, 2022
Mike Parker
July 19, 2022

I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

Images are a really useful tool for spreading awareness. I have some points there to provide

1: It'll create inputs on image databases such as Google Images, thus, the image search could find the D forums increasing the language reach
2: There's a lot of graphics related project and no one really cares about them if there's not to see
3: People usually don't like clicking on suspicious links for checking images
4: Having an option for people to show their project could actually help in D relevance: for example, one would actually need to link their github repo for having the images, which would involve the process of someone clicking and then scrolling it down. This is too many tasks. Having the images could help people being interests.

Some considerations should be made though:

  • Images showing code should be banned. It does not help anyone, it consumes resourceful value such as disk space and it actually makes it harder to test.
  • Size limiting could be a great addition
  • Reformat images to JPEG for smaller sizes
  • Maybe we could have a "Projects" section where people could posts their image and close the other sections for text only. This reduces the probability of wrong images usage for saving resources

Even better: the forums could even create some carousel showing "Featured Projects" and even "New Projects" which in my opinion would be a big plus, which can bring a more modern feeling to the forums, it will bring D's ecosystem awareness, it will even motivate people to get their projects there!

There's other things that I would like to see in the future: Like buttons. There is a lot of people that are not willing to express their interest in the project such as clicking on the reply button. Even better, it would not bloat the thread with "+1 approves this". It is not really people fault, problem is that there is no another way to show their interest in the project right now.

Again, that feature is a lot useful when bringing new ideas or even doing some kind of polls which is missing too, as I said before, many people dislike posting but would love to have their voice heard.

July 18, 2022
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:42:01AM +0000, Hipreme via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

I use a text-only mail reader.  If there are images, I won't see them. (I *could* if I wanted to, but it's extra effort, and generally I'm not interested in images unless the post concerns something graphical. If we're talking about code, I'd just ignore any images.)


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> 2: There's a lot of graphics related project and no one really cares about them if there's not to see

This is a valid point, but why images in *forum* posts? Images IMO belong on the project website, and the forum post could just link to that.


> 3: People usually don't like clicking on suspicious links for checking images

I use the mailing list interface to the forum, and generally I'd ignore image files attached to posts. I'd find them annoying, in fact, if the post doesn't actually concern something graphical. Excessive image attachments (icons, signature images, etc.) that don't add any useful information, I find really annoying.


> 4: Having an option for people to show their project could actually help in D relevance: for example, one would actually need to link their github repo for having the images, which would involve the process of someone clicking and then scrolling it down. This is too many tasks. Having the images could help people being interests.

Or it could turn away stubborn people like me. ;-)  I much rather have a forum post link to some project website that hosts images, than to have to manually open individual image attachments.


> Some considerations should be made though:
> - Images showing code should be banned. It does not help anyone, it
>   consumes resourceful value such as disk space and it actually makes
>   it harder to test.
> - Size limiting could be a great addition

Size limiting does not prevent people from attaching useless images like signature icons that add no information to a post.


> - Reformat images to JPEG for smaller sizes

Please no, at the very least use a lossless compressed format like PNG. If the post concerns, say, graphical code, the worst thing is to end up with a noisy image caused by compression artifacts that fails to show what the actual output is. (And if image quality doesn't matter, then chances are it's not really relevant anyway, just put it on the project website and drop a link to it.)


> - Maybe we could have a "Projects" section where people could posts
>   their image and close the other sections for text only. This reduces
>   the probability of wrong images usage for saving resources

That could be more acceptable.  I'll be sure not to subscribe to that. ;-)


> Even better: the forums could even create some carousel showing "Featured Projects" and even "New Projects" which in my opinion would be a big plus, which can bring a more modern feeling to the forums, it will bring D's ecosystem awareness, it will even motivate people to get their projects there!

I would see nothing of that, because I read forum posts via the mailing list interface. (Plus I wouldn't be interested to get such information on the forums in the first place; if anything, posts where images are important probably should be posted in the D blog or on the project's own website. I don't want to be receiving images I didn't ask for.)


> There's other things that I would like to see in the future: Like buttons.  There is a lot of people that are not willing to express their interest in the project such as clicking on the reply button. Even better, it would not bloat the thread with "+1 approves this". It is not really people fault, problem is that there is no another way to show their interest in the project right now.

Buttons wouldn't show up in the mailing list interface. (But then, I wouldn't really care anyway, so it doesn't matter.)


> Again, that feature is a lot useful when bringing new ideas or even doing some kind of polls which is missing too, as I said before, many people dislike posting but would love to have their voice heard.

Making decisions based on internet polls is highly unreliable, and once things like "like" buttons are instituted, they are highly prone to abuse by unscrupulous parties.

Disclaimer: these opinions are just my own.  Most of my views are not majority anyway, and I don't pretend to represent anyone or anything except myself. So take this with a suitable-sized grain of salt.


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July 18, 2022
On 7/18/22 20:42, Hipreme wrote:
> I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

I'm replying to this message using the forum's NNTP interface, and attempting to include a screenshot of my Vim configuration for D as an attachment. Let's see if it shows up on the web interface!

(I messed up the first time I sent this and accidentally emailed Hipreme directly. Sorry about that!)

Edit: it turns out there's a hard ~50KB limit for newsgroup messages, so I've had to severely compress the image to try and make it fit.

July 19, 2022
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July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC, Hipreme wrote:

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I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

[...]

I think markdown image syntax works fine, but you might need an external server to upload your image.

Test:

Profile Image

July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 09:00:03 UTC, Ahmet Sait wrote:

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On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC, Hipreme wrote:

>

I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

[...]

I think markdown image syntax works fine, but you might need an external server to upload your image.

Test:

Profile Image

I think it is fine too, but few problems

  • Problem: they are not properly resized when too big

  • Solution: resize them, and make them clickable, if click, open it as fullsize in a tab

  • Problem: i can never remember the syntax

  • Solution: when markdown is enabled, display a little header with various buttons, including an insert image button

July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 09:00:03 UTC, Ahmet Sait wrote:

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On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC, Hipreme wrote:

>

I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

[...]

I think markdown image syntax works fine, but you might need an external server to upload your image.

It is problematic for moderation and archives, i.e. it can be used for getting marketing spam into forums.

July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 13:16:12 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

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On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 09:00:03 UTC, Ahmet Sait wrote:

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On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC, Hipreme wrote:

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I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

[...]

I think markdown image syntax works fine, but you might need an external server to upload your image.

It is problematic for moderation and archives, i.e. it can be used for getting marketing spam into forums.

The image can be changed at any time in the future if it's externally hosted. This opens the forum to spreading various types of porn, coordination of terrorist attacks, and really anything you can do with externally-hosted images. It wouldn't even be detected if the actor did it after a couple months.

July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC, Hipreme wrote:

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I believe that, specially in 2022, it is astonishing to think that this forum still does not support images.

Many new comers do wonder about this forum software
and many have asked to move to better options like discourse

To save you time, yes this forum is antiquated
but the community, just doesn't seem to have an appetite to change it

D is a small community, so if you think about it
this forum, might actually be good enough

Take D and the D community for what it is, dont dream for them

And because it is a small community, they dont have bandwidth for things like
changing the website, the forum, adding a chat room, marketing, moving to github etc ...

Things you can actually change are the Language Compiler, the libraries and fixing bugs

July 19, 2022

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 15:24:33 UTC, Ali wrote:

This forum is quite nice to be honest, it loads very fast, and has a pretty nice UX overall

There some areas where it could need some love, like that post mentions (images)

But also 'quoting', there should be some ways to fold/unfold big quotes automatically, or better threads within post to keep the context

And when replying to someone, have a little clickable url to go so the actual post, to make the life easier for readers

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