On 22.01.2016 20:53, ronaldmc wrote:
> I don't want to start a war, but this isn't community? I mean aren't we
> trying to make things better, because the way you said it seems like a
> dictatorship.

It's dictatorship insofar as Walter and Andrei have veto power. If they don't want something in, it doesn't go in. I don't think this is a problem in practice. If it was, the community could always fork the project and then play by their own rules.

And of all things, the logo wouldn't be a good reason to divide over, in my opinion.

On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 20:28:57 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> On 22.01.2016 20:53, ronaldmc wrote:
>> I don't want to start a war, but this isn't community? I mean aren't we
>> trying to make things better, because the way you said it seems like a
>> dictatorship.
>
> It's dictatorship insofar as Walter and Andrei have veto power. If they don't want something in, it doesn't go in. I don't think this is a problem in practice. If it was, the community could always fork the project and then play by their own rules.
>
> And of all things, the logo wouldn't be a good reason to divide over, in my opinion.

Walter's "No" often gets bent a little bit by Andrei when he sees a good idea ;)

On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 20:28:57 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> On 22.01.2016 20:53, ronaldmc wrote:
>> I don't want to start a war, but this isn't community? I mean aren't we
>> trying to make things better, because the way you said it seems like a
>> dictatorship.
>
> It's dictatorship insofar as Walter and Andrei have veto power. If they don't want something in, it doesn't go in. I don't think this is a problem in practice. If it was, the community could always fork the project and then play by their own rules.
>
> And of all things, the logo wouldn't be a good reason to divide over, in my opinion.

Just use all 4 logos. Change them at every new D release or something.
I like a bit change. My desktop background also changes a bit.

On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 20:28:57 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> And of all things, the logo wouldn't be a good reason to divide over, in my opinion.

No, of course not. But I've saw something like this with features to be added on the language, like for example 300+ discussion thread with similar trend of being interposed by the "heads".

In this case, this is not something critical by any means. But what I'm seeing here is the lack of vote for example, someone say Walter is against and that remains. So this is not the way a "Community" should be driven.

On 22.01.2016 20:08, WebFreak001 wrote:
> Original: https://i.imgur.com/6M1Eoy2.png
>
> Fixed: https://i.imgur.com/uLuUgJY.png

Can you post the fixed SVG code, so that I can update my stuff?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:26:12PM +0000, ronaldmc via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Friday, 22 January 2016 at 20:28:57 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> >And of all things, the logo wouldn't be a good reason to divide over, in my opinion.
> 
> No, of course not. But I've saw something like this with features to be added on the language, like for example 300+ discussion thread with similar trend of being interposed by the "heads".
> 
> In this case, this is not something critical by any means. But what I'm seeing here is the lack of vote for example, someone say Walter is against and that remains. So this is not the way a "Community" should be driven.
[...]

Huh? I thought we were designing a programming language, not running a democratic government. I don't understand where you got this strange notion from.  Walter is the one who invented this language, and he has been generous enough to let the rest of us participate in its development. There is no bill of rights that says we have any say in anything at all, except that he has chosen to take heed to what we say as a mutual benefit. (And there shouldn't be such a thing as a bill of rights here either -- this is a programming language, not the governance of a country.)

Plenty of successful software projects do not run "democratically" either (whatever that even means in a software project!), e.g. the Linux kernel where Linus basically has the final say in everything. Yet the Linux community is thriving just fine.  I don't understand this fixation that everything must be voted on. What ought to rule in a programming language is technical merit, not popularity.


T

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 at 00:30:17 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> ... What ought to rule in a programming language is technical merit, not popularity.

What happens if a technical feature is vetoed by someone is charge even if it has merit?

And you're comparing Apples vs Oranges with the rest of your answer. Even when you talk about Linux (Org) and Linus, currently the Linux Foundation has a board members to approve or not new features or changes, and finally after that it goes to Linus, and overall after passed by the board it's almost approved by Linus too.

And by the way let this talk about dictatorship go away, because I think It will do more harm than anything else.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 01:11:20AM +0000, ronaldmc via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Saturday, 23 January 2016 at 00:30:17 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> >... What ought to rule in a programming language is technical merit, not popularity.
> 
> What happens if a technical feature is vetoed by someone is charge even if it has merit?

This is not the governance of a country. If you don't like the way the decisions are being made, you always have the freedom to take the source code (except for the proprietary backend), fork it, and build your own community. There will be no army sent after you to force you to comply with the "dictator's" decisions, since this is a programming language, not a government.  If your technical merit is superior, your community will eventually prevail.

And besides, calling something a "dictatorship" is again confusing the development of a programming language with running a government. I still fail to see the connection between the two.

(And BTW, I do not speak for this community either. What I express here are just my own opinions. If you really have an issue with how things are run, you ought to be talking directly to Walter & Andrei, not wasting your breath arguing with me.)


--T

On Saturday, 23 January 2016 at 01:23:20 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>
> This is not the governance of a country. If you don't like the way the decisions are being made, you always have the freedom to take the source code (except for the proprietary backend), fork it, and build your own community. There will be no army sent after you to force you to comply with the "dictator's" decisions, since this is a programming language, not a government.  If your technical merit is superior, your community will eventually prevail.
>
> And besides, calling something a "dictatorship" is again confusing the development of a programming language with running a government. I still fail to see the connection between the two.
>
> (And BTW, I do not speak for this community either. What I express here are just my own opinions. If you really have an issue with how things are run, you ought to be talking directly to Walter & Andrei, not wasting your breath arguing with me.)

+1 many times over.

And back to the original topic, my vote goes for the third one.

I always wanted it to be a gif so the planet would appear to be subtly rotating and the edge of Deimos might twinkle slightly :-)