December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Robert Clipsham | Such a sexy NG interface! The only thing missing is ability to quickly switch between the main newsgroups in the horizontal-split view. I mean if I'm reading D.learn there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to switch to another group like D.announce. I can click on the title to go back, of course, but it might be nice to have links to the other NGs in that view (perhaps as a set of horizontal links above the topics box). Still, I love how fast it is. And it's written in D?! Sweet! If this were integrated to dpl.org it would kick the balls out of all the other proggy sites. |
December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Vladimir Panteleev | On 2011-12-08 11:55, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > As mentioned previously, I've been working on a web frontend for the > DigitalMars NNTP server. I collected ideas and inspiration from the > several threads on this topic in the last few weeks, and now I think > that the result is ready for beta testing and general use. > > The current (temporary) URL is: > > http://dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net/discussion/ Very nice. Although I would hope for a version that would work better in mobile phones. It's probably good to add a meta tag setting the scale for mobile phones. This is a site that works good in basically all screen sizes: http://upperdog.se/ -- /Jacob Carlborg |
December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Dmitry | On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 14:10:54 UTC, Dmitry wrote:
> It would allow you to view all of the topics which have new messages (replies) in since your last visit. Each the topic would contain the new messages only and, if it makes sense, the original messages too.
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> Alternatively, another approach could keep it as it is for now, but indicate somehow on unread messages (e.g. change the font style or place a count of new messages).
Sounds good. I think we could also create a front page that's more useful than just a group list. It could contain information such as replies to your posts, "followed" threads, etc.
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December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Vladimir Panteleev | On 2011-12-08 15:06, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 13:51:21 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote: >> * In the horizontal-split view if you scroll down too far in the >> thread you can't see the current thread title, it would be good to >> make that sticky until you reach the next thread so you can see where >> you're up to > > This isn't possible with just CSS. A JavaScript implementation might be > possible. I'll think about it. It might be possible using the right combination of layers and absolute position. -- /Jacob Carlborg |
December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jacob Carlborg | On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 14:35:46 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: > On 2011-12-08 15:06, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: >> On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 13:51:21 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote: >>> * In the horizontal-split view if you scroll down too far in the >>> thread you can't see the current thread title, it would be good to >>> make that sticky until you reach the next thread so you can see where >>> you're up to >> >> This isn't possible with just CSS. A JavaScript implementation might be >> possible. I'll think about it. > > It might be possible using the right combination of layers and absolute position. You still need to change from normal to fixed positioning when the title is scrolled offscreen, and vice-versa. Here's one example (scroll down): http://lesscss.org/ |
December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jacob Carlborg | On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 14:21:54 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: > Very nice. Although I would hope for a version that would work better in mobile phones. It's probably good to add a meta tag setting the scale for mobile phones. The "threaded" view mode should look the best on small screens. > This is a site that works good in basically all screen sizes: > > http://upperdog.se/ Yes, I learned about the max-width CSS rules from that site when it was posted a while ago. However, CSS doesn't scale well for complex web pages. |
December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Vladimir Panteleev | On 08/12/2011 14:06, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: > On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 13:51:21 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote: >> * Support syntax highlighting for blocks enclosed with --- like DDoc >> does, maybe other types of blocks too such as {{{}}} that trac uses, >> or whatever github uses. > > I'm not very excited about the idea of introducing formatting features > that only users of this web interface will see. Frequent use of such > features would annoy users of other interfaces, and there's the risk of > accidentally activating them. I've seen quite a few people using it for code snippets anyway, and it's only a minor thing - I wouldn't want to go any further and allow for bold/italic/smileys/etc. Accidentally activating them would be a problem, I think that's a minor risk for this though. Not a major thing, just something I've always wanted to see ;) >> * Does the mailing list have the same restriction as gmane has (no >> posting)? > > Yes. Clicking on "Create thread" or "Reply" will display a message with > a link to the Mailman page. I could probably implement posting if Brad > says it's OK, but focused discussion groups such as development mailing > lists might actually benefit from a high barrier to entry. That's a shame, it really annoys me that I can't reply in the same place as I read currently :( >> * Thundrbird has a "mark read" function for >> threads/messages/newsgroups - that'd be really useful. > > "Mark thread as [un]read" keys should be easy to add. It would also be > possible to mark all posts as read, but not on a per-group basis. Awesome! Can't wait! >> * In the horizontal-split view if you scroll down too far in the >> thread you can't see the current thread title, it would be good to >> make that sticky until you reach the next thread so you can see where >> you're up to > > This isn't possible with just CSS. A JavaScript implementation might be > possible. I'll think about it. Some of us don't have the same reservations as Nick about not using javascript ;) If it can't be done in CSS it would still be really nice to have. > Maybe we should just reverse the thread sort order, like for the > "threaded" view? <moreJavascript> There could be a "Sort by" option to allow it to be sorted however the user wants it? </moreJavascript> >> Another one - log in using OpenID so I don't have to remember another >> username/password ;) > > I'd be happy to if you provide a D OpenID implementation :) > > (Last I checked, implementing OpenID from scratch was quite hard) I doubt I'll get chance in the near future unfortunately. Last time I looked it didn't seem to hard, I didn't look too in depth though. -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/ |
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Posted in reply to Steven Schveighoffer | On 12/08/2011 07:27 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
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> (Posted from the new web interface).
Replies to posts should follow convention and prefix the subject with "Re: " if it doesn't already have one.
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December 08, 2011 Re: A new web newsreader | ||||
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Posted in reply to Vladimir Panteleev | On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 13:13:38 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 December 2011 at 12:27:44 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> you receive an A+ from me!
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>> BTW, is there any way to sort the threaded view so that the newest messages appear on top? Simply because, in a web page, the top is what shows up first.
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> Thanks :) The reason why I chose to sort by older posts first is a bit convoluted:
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> Generally, in a threaded discussion, replies always have to appear below their parents. Even though it's possible to sort siblings in the reverse order, it would be rather inconsistent. The same goes with entire threads - the last post in a group will appear as the *bottom-most* child of its parent, inside the *topmost* thread.
In that case also paging should follow the same rule. That is, last thread should be at the bottom of the _last_ page. (And of course the last page should be viewed by default.) Now it is at the bottom of the first page which is not exactly very intuitive.
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Posted in reply to Jeff Nowakowski | On a mailing list yes. However, on the newsgroup it is IMHO totally redundant. A matter of taste I think... |
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