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February 20, 2018 NNTP client configuration | ||||
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On 2/19/2018 10:40 PM, Tobias Müller wrote: > Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com> wrote: >> On 02/19/2018 03:52 AM, Manu wrote: >>> On 18 Feb. 2018 10:25 pm, "Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d" < >>> digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: >>> On 2/18/2018 7:52 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: >>>> Well, it's also the world's most inconsistant and statndards-disregarding. >>>> We're talking 1990's MS-level behavior here. It's *always* causing trouble >>>> for something or another. >>> >>> And the great thing about NNTP is that the user gets to choose the client. >>> Not the server. If you don't like the way your client behaves, use another >>> one. >>> >>> Except in this case it's you that doesn't like the way my mail client >>> behaves. >> >> Because your mail client is BROKEN. >> >>> I don't want to install software, I'll continue using Gmail, undoubtedly >>> the world's most popular mail client... >> >> Then petition *Google* to fix their ****** ****** software. You've >> already been told it has **** all to do with NNTP. > > It's no wonder that D has so few contributors if they are actively scared > away. I have no idea what is scary about this. > If you want more people to contribute, make it as easy for them as > possible. We do. You can use any NNTP client you wish. You can also use DFeed at https://forum.dlang.org > I really don't understand why this cannot be solved on the server. Because when gmail emails someone, it does not go through D's server. DFeed is also an NNTP client and it does not have this problem. Neither does Thunderbird's client, which I use. > Replying to all adresses in the Reply-To: header isn't what I would > call broken anyway. It's annoying because I do not know if he intended to send me private email or intended it to be public on the forum. It doesn't sound like he intended to send these private emails, making it a problem with his client. I cannot fix his client. He has to, or use another client. Of course, I could just mark those emails as spam, but then he couldn't send me private email if he wanted to. > Is he even using NNTP? Or maybe the mailing list Interface? He's using gmail's NNTP client. It's simply not possible for us to control it, any more than we can fix printer issues with Microsoft Word running on your machine. And you wouldn't want us to if we could :-) Now, since we allow any NNTP client to post to our NNTP forums, it stands to reason that it's polite to configure it properly. In this case, it would be to not spam out unintended emails, and to post as plain text, not double post everything as both text and html. While the double posting will work, it makes the NNTP database twice as big and half as fast, for no purpose whatsoever. These should be configurable with any NNTP client that is not an incompetent steaming pile of rotting cabbage. |
February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Walter Bright | On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 01:23:32 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 2/19/2018 10:40 PM, Tobias Müller wrote:
> > Is he even using NNTP? Or maybe the mailing list Interface?
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> He's using gmail's NNTP client. It's simply not possible for us to control it, any more than we can fix printer issues with Microsoft Word running on your machine. And you wouldn't want us to if we could :-)
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> Now, since we allow any NNTP client to post to our NNTP forums, it stands to reason that it's polite to configure it properly. In this case, it would be to not spam out unintended emails, and to post as plain text, not double post everything as both text and html. While the double posting will work, it makes the NNTP database twice as big and half as fast, for no purpose whatsoever. These should be configurable with any NNTP client that is not an incompetent steaming pile of rotting cabbage.
Does gmail even have an NNTP client? I can't find anything about that when doing a search for it. I had assumed that Manu was using the mailing list, and as I explained, mailman is sending both the mailing list address and the poster's e-mail address in the Reply-To header, in which case, the problem is not that Manu has misconfigured his e-mail client but that mailman is misconfigured, since replying to the addresses in Reply-To is the correct thing for an e-mail client to do. You can blame Manu for not going to the extra effort of manually removing your personal e-mail address from the To header, but the client is doing what it's supposed to be doing given what mailman sent it.
Now, the double-posting with both text and html is another matter entirely and certainly something that's the fault of the e-mail client. I don't know how configurable that is with gmail though. Webmail tends to want to assume that you're going to do everything with html and isn't always very configurable (which is one reason why I use a local e-mail client and not webmail).
- Jonathan M Davis
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February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jonathan M Davis | On 2/20/2018 2:05 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> Does gmail even have an NNTP client?
He wrote: "Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all."
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February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Walter Bright | On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 03:08:37PM -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/20/2018 2:05 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > Does gmail even have an NNTP client? > > He wrote: "Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all." AFAIK, Google Groups has an NNTP interface to integrate with "legacy" NNTP servers (though "native" groups itself uses something else). No idea what that has to do with Gmail, but you never know. T -- Verbing weirds language. -- Calvin (& Hobbes) |
February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Walter Bright | On 20 February 2018 at 01:23, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > > It's annoying because I do not know if he intended to send me private email or intended it to be public on the forum. It doesn't sound like he intended to send these private emails, making it a problem with his client. I cannot fix his client. He has to, or use another client. My client has nothing to do with this. I shouldn't have your email address in the reply-to header (as Jonathan has noted multiple times). If I switched to outlook, I'd still have your email address in the reply field. You should be angry that the mailing list is emitting your private email address to every subscriber. >> Is he even using NNTP? Or maybe the mailing list Interface? > > He's using gmail's NNTP client. No, I'm using gmail's SMTP interface. I subscribe to the mailing list. |
February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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On 20 February 2018 at 02:05, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
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> Now, the double-posting with both text and html is another matter entirely and certainly something that's the fault of the e-mail client. I don't know how configurable that is with gmail though. Webmail tends to want to assume that you're going to do everything with html and isn't always very configurable (which is one reason why I use a local e-mail client and not webmail).
It's configurable... what seems to happen though, is that occasionally
my setting resets.
Perhaps google updates gmail and it resets some settings like that? I
dunno. I don't notice when the setting resets, but Walter does.
I agree, I can technically control this, but if the NG really doesn't
want the html version of the email, it would be easy for the mailing
list to mechanically truncate the html, since that's the default
setting for virtually all email clients anyway. Every mailing list
user must surely commit this sin?
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February 21, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Manu | On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 00:32:54 UTC, Manu wrote: > On 20 February 2018 at 02:05, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: >> >> Now, the double-posting with both text and html is another matter entirely > but if the NG really doesn't > want the html version of the email, it would be easy for the mailing list to mechanically truncate the html, Yes, but only one guy (Brad) is admin here. There's really no point is discussing this for hours here. Simply write Brad. You can reach him either via GitHub Issues: https://github.com/braddr/d-tester/issues Or for his email, simply look at the git log (he made the first git commit) |
February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Seb | On 2/20/2018 4:53 PM, Seb via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 00:32:54 UTC, Manu wrote:
>> On 20 February 2018 at 02:05, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
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>>> Now, the double-posting with both text and html is another matter entirely
>> but if the NG really doesn't
>> want the html version of the email, it would be easy for the mailing list to mechanically truncate the html,
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> Yes, but only one guy (Brad) is admin here.
> There's really no point is discussing this for hours here.
> Simply write Brad. You can reach him either via GitHub Issues:
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> https://github.com/braddr/d-tester/issues
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> Or for his email, simply look at the git log (he made the first git commit)
Do not use the d-tester issues for non tester related issues, please.
Jonathan alerted me to the issue a couple days ago and I've been looking into this today. It's due to a behavior change between versions of mailman used on the old (being a relative term.. been a few months now) mail server and the current mail server. I don't see the solution yet, but I'm working to figure out how to restore the previous behavior.
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February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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On 20 February 2018 at 17:09, Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> On 2/20/2018 4:53 PM, Seb via Digitalmars-d wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 at 00:32:54 UTC, Manu wrote:
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>>> On 20 February 2018 at 02:05, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, the double-posting with both text and html is another matter entirely
>>>
>>> but if the NG really doesn't
>>> want the html version of the email, it would be easy for the mailing list
>>> to mechanically truncate the html,
>>
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>> Yes, but only one guy (Brad) is admin here.
>> There's really no point is discussing this for hours here.
>> Simply write Brad. You can reach him either via GitHub Issues:
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>> https://github.com/braddr/d-tester/issues
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>> Or for his email, simply look at the git log (he made the first git
>> commit)
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>
> Do not use the d-tester issues for non tester related issues, please.
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> Jonathan alerted me to the issue a couple days ago and I've been looking into this today. It's due to a behavior change between versions of mailman used on the old (being a relative term.. been a few months now) mail server and the current mail server. I don't see the solution yet, but I'm working to figure out how to restore the previous behavior.
Hey Brad; is it possible to strip out the HTML copy from emails before
distribution?
I'm a bit tired of being a bad guy for unknowingly committing a crime
by using my email client in the default and completely normal way ;)
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February 20, 2018 Re: NNTP client configuration | ||||
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Posted in reply to Manu | On 2/20/2018 4:26 PM, Manu wrote: > I shouldn't have your email > address in the reply-to header (as Jonathan has noted multiple times). I do that deliberately as a service to those who wish to contact me privately about something I posted, which happens now and then. > I subscribe to the mailing list. Thanks for clearing that up. I apologize for inferring you were using gmail as your NTTP client. |
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