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July 12
as Python's BDFL.

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
July 12
On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> as Python's BDFL.

Don't get any ideas!
July 12
On 7/12/2018 2:22 PM, Luís Marques wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> as Python's BDFL.
> 
> Don't get any ideas!

I have no plans to resign until they carry me out in a box.
July 12
On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> as Python's BDFL.
>
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html

There is controversy surrounding his opinions? I am out of the loop here.

-Alex
July 12
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 03:28:00PM -0700, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 7/12/2018 2:22 PM, Luís Marques wrote:
> > On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> > > as Python's BDFL.
> > 
> > Don't get any ideas!
> 
> I have no plans to resign until they carry me out in a box.

+1 to that!


T

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July 12
On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 22:28:00 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> I have no plans to resign until they carry me out in a box.

That can be arranged.



(lol you guys we should carry walter out of to the stage of the next dconf in a box)
July 13
On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> as Python's BDFL.
>
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html

I looked up PEP 572 and... *this* is what people are up in arms about? Assignment in expressions, which works fine the majority of the time in the many languages that allow it. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks IMO.


July 13
On 7/12/18 6:40 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 22:28:00 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> I have no plans to resign until they carry me out in a box.
> 
> That can be arranged.
> 
> 
> 
> (lol you guys we should carry walter out of to the stage of the next dconf in a box)

That's going to be my interpretive dance submission next year.

-Steve
July 13
On Fri, 2018-07-13 at 03:21 +0000, Meta via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 July 2018 at 21:16:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> > as Python's BDFL.
> > 
> > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/00566 4.html
> 
> I looked up PEP 572 and... *this* is what people are up in arms about? Assignment in expressions, which works fine the majority of the time in the many languages that allow it. The benefits far outweigh the drawbacks IMO.

It isn't that simple. PEP 572 is contentious because this is Python and assignment in expression is not a trivial shoo in concept.

Also it isn't that simple because it is not actually about PEP 572 alone, PEP 572 just ended up being the "straw that broke the camel's back".

BDFL has had to deal with some "attitude" over the years that no-one should have to deal with. Till recently he let it wash off, but there is the drip-drip effect. BDFL has not though always been the easiest person to debate with, and has on occasion short circuited the system for pet projects. So the traffic has not all been one way.

All in all this is a complicated situation that people should not try to reduce to something simple. I am sad Guido has stepped down as BDFL, he originated it, and has, in the main, been an excellent figurehead custodian as the project got bigger and many other got involved.

I have no doubt Python Software Foundation (PSF) will keep Guido as President unless he pulls out of that as well – which I really hope he doesn't. It is now down to Naomi Cedar as PSF Chair to replace the PEP decision making structure. As long as the PSF executive committee act quickly and decisively, I can't see a problem. I suspect replacing BDFL is not an option, a new system is needed. Some form of rotating committee is the most likely I suspect.

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July 14
On 07/12/2018 05:16 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> as Python's BDFL.
> 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html

Interesting.

My takeaway after reading his post:

Despite his obvious and understandable frustration, it must be immensely satisfying to create a tool, and build it up to the point where you can release it back into to its own ecosystem for its own continued future.

I may not be a Python fan, but seriously - kudos to Guido!