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Clojure and Pull Request Controversy
Nov 28, 2018
Walter Bright
Nov 28, 2018
12345swordy
Nov 28, 2018
H. S. Teoh
Nov 28, 2018
Nicholas Wilson
Nov 28, 2018
Jonathan M Davis
Nov 28, 2018
Daniel Kozak
Nov 28, 2018
H. S. Teoh
Nov 28, 2018
Chris
Nov 28, 2018
Chris
Nov 28, 2018
Jonathan M Davis
Nov 28, 2018
welkam
Nov 28, 2018
Patrick Schluter
Nov 28, 2018
H. S. Teoh
Nov 29, 2018
bauss
Nov 29, 2018
Walter Bright
Nov 29, 2018
Chris
Nov 29, 2018
Walter Bright
Nov 30, 2018
Jon Degenhardt
Nov 29, 2018
welkam
Nov 29, 2018
Nicholas Wilson
Nov 29, 2018
Chris
Nov 30, 2018
Nicholas Wilson
Nov 30, 2018
Dukc
Nov 30, 2018
jmh530
Nov 30, 2018
Paul Backus
Nov 30, 2018
jmh530
Nov 30, 2018
Andre Pany
Nov 30, 2018
Dukc
Nov 30, 2018
H. S. Teoh
Nov 30, 2018
Dukc
Nov 29, 2018
welkam
Nov 29, 2018
M.M.
Nov 29, 2018
Neia Neutuladh
Nov 29, 2018
jmh530
Nov 29, 2018
Chris
Nov 29, 2018
12345swordy
Nov 29, 2018
Adam D. Ruppe
Nov 29, 2018
12345swordy
Nov 29, 2018
Jonathan M Davis
Nov 29, 2018
H. S. Teoh
Nov 29, 2018
Paul Backus
Nov 29, 2018
Neia Neutuladh
Nov 29, 2018
Neia Neutuladh
Nov 29, 2018
jmh530
Nov 29, 2018
Daniel Kozak
Nov 29, 2018
Adam D. Ruppe
Nov 28, 2018
bachmeier
Nov 29, 2018
welkam
Dec 04, 2018
Dejan Lekic
November 27, 2018
The issue of prioritization of reviewing PRs, etc, perennially comes up and has done so again recently:

https://digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/It_is_the_year_2020_why_should_I_use_learn_D_321380.html#N321572

It seems we're not the only group struggling with this issue. Food for thought, and some controversy:

https://gist.github.com/richhickey/1563cddea1002958f96e7ba9519972d9

https://gist.github.com/halgari/c17f378718cbd2fd82324002133ef678#gistcomment-2768338

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18538123

November 28, 2018
On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 00:12:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> The issue of prioritization of reviewing PRs, etc, perennially comes up and has done so again recently:
>
> https://digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/It_is_the_year_2020_why_should_I_use_learn_D_321380.html#N321572
>
> It seems we're not the only group struggling with this issue. Food for thought, and some controversy:
>
> https://gist.github.com/richhickey/1563cddea1002958f96e7ba9519972d9
>
> https://gist.github.com/halgari/c17f378718cbd2fd82324002133ef678#gistcomment-2768338
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18538123

The good news about this is that the D foundation has recently hired a PR manager, and he is doing good work! Old pull request has been resurrected and merge, because of this!
(Thanks Nicholas Wilson!)
November 27, 2018
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:22:27AM +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
> The good news about this is that the D foundation has recently hired a PR manager, and he is doing good work! Old pull request has been resurrected and merge, because of this!  (Thanks Nicholas Wilson!)

Ahh, so *that's* what happened!  I was glancing at the Phobos git log earlier today and noticed Nicholas kept showing up.  Now I know why. I'd also like to say, thanks, Nicholas Wilson!  Keeping the PR queue down to size can be a tedious and thankless job sometimes (speaking from personal experience), so kudos for the much needed work!


T

-- 
It is of the new things that men tire --- of fashions and proposals and improvements and change. It is the old things that startle and intoxicate. It is the old things that are young. -- G.K. Chesterton
November 27, 2018
On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:36:09 PM MST H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:22:27AM +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
>
> > The good news about this is that the D foundation has recently hired a PR manager, and he is doing good work! Old pull request has been resurrected and merge, because of this!  (Thanks Nicholas Wilson!)
>
> Ahh, so *that's* what happened!  I was glancing at the Phobos git log earlier today and noticed Nicholas kept showing up.  Now I know why. I'd also like to say, thanks, Nicholas Wilson!  Keeping the PR queue down to size can be a tedious and thankless job sometimes (speaking from personal experience), so kudos for the much needed work!

There was a post about it in D.Announce a couple of weeks ago:

https://forum.dlang.org/thread/swsfgggaawgylauuzjlm@forum.dlang.org

- Jonathan M Davis



November 28, 2018
And there is https://forum.dlang.org/post/dsceeupaxahiwldladox@forum.dlang.org too

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:02 AM Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:36:09 PM MST H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:22:27AM +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
> >
> > > The good news about this is that the D foundation has recently hired a PR manager, and he is doing good work! Old pull request has been resurrected and merge, because of this!  (Thanks Nicholas Wilson!)
> >
> > Ahh, so *that's* what happened!  I was glancing at the Phobos git log earlier today and noticed Nicholas kept showing up.  Now I know why. I'd also like to say, thanks, Nicholas Wilson!  Keeping the PR queue down to size can be a tedious and thankless job sometimes (speaking from personal experience), so kudos for the much needed work!
>
> There was a post about it in D.Announce a couple of weeks ago:
>
> https://forum.dlang.org/thread/swsfgggaawgylauuzjlm@forum.dlang.org
>
> - Jonathan M Davis
>
>
>
>


November 28, 2018
On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 00:36:09 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:22:27AM +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
>> The good news about this is that the D foundation has recently hired a PR manager, and he is doing good work! Old pull request has been resurrected and merge, because of this!  (Thanks Nicholas Wilson!)
>
> Ahh, so *that's* what happened!  I was glancing at the Phobos git log earlier today and noticed Nicholas kept showing up.

Thats probably because the buildkite style checker has been red for a while,
the dlang bot merges most of the dmd and druntime ones.

> Now I know why. I'd also like to say, thanks, Nicholas Wilson!  Keeping the PR queue down to size can be a tedious and thankless job sometimes (speaking from personal experience), so kudos for the much needed work!

NP. Any help resurrecting PRs is appreciated.
November 28, 2018
On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 00:12:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> The issue of prioritization of reviewing PRs, etc, perennially comes up and has done so again recently:
>
> https://digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/It_is_the_year_2020_why_should_I_use_learn_D_321380.html#N321572
>
> It seems we're not the only group struggling with this issue. Food for thought, and some controversy:
>
> https://gist.github.com/richhickey/1563cddea1002958f96e7ba9519972d9

I sincerely hope you don't identify with the OP.

> https://gist.github.com/halgari/c17f378718cbd2fd82324002133ef678#gistcomment-2768338
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18538123

I'm quoting the comments, because the links under "Copy link" didn't work.

"[...] Yes, of course everything you said is technically correct. You don't owe anyone anything. But you don't have to be so petulant about it. Saying that users aren't even entitled to an explanation of why they're not entitled to support is childish in the extreme, particularly because your own company and livelihood are heavily dependent upon the work that some of those users gave you for free.
[...]
I do appreciate that you're making your position very clear - hopefully this can help projects and companies make better-informed decisions about whether they want to be locked in to a project that operates this way. Just dial it back a bit, eh?"
-- briangordon

"Open source may be a gift, but it doesn't come with batteries included, and so there's a cost for adopting such a "gift." If you want people to use your software, closed- or open-source, you do need to make it worth their time and show some basic decency to your users."
-- tommyettinger

You cannot say "We need help, we're a small community!" and then when people step up and do help say "Who are you anyway? You're not entitled to anything!"

And as regards adopting the software, when you read this thread

https://forum.dlang.org/post/ljrm0d$28vf$1@digitalmars.com

you will not even think twice about whether or not to adopt it, you just run away. Ironically enough, it was about the time the post about "more radical ideas" was posted that I was beginning to feel very uneasy with D.

Yesterday I was innocently thinking if and how LDC+Android could be integrated into Android Studio via CMake etc., but then it occurred to me that even if I / we succeeded in doing so, the D code itself might still break anytime, because of "more radical ideas". Maybe D should be rebranded as "Minefield".
November 28, 2018
On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 11:29:58 UTC, Chris wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 00:12:15 UTC, Walter Bright

>
> And as regards adopting the software, when you read this thread
>
> https://forum.dlang.org/post/ljrm0d$28vf$1@digitalmars.com
>
> you will not even think twice about whether or not to adopt it, you just run away. Ironically enough, it was about the time the post about "more radical ideas" was posted that I was beginning to feel very uneasy with D.
>
> Yesterday I was innocently thinking if and how LDC+Android could be integrated into Android Studio via CMake etc., but then it occurred to me that even if I / we succeeded in doing so, the D code itself might still break anytime, because of "more radical ideas". Maybe D should be rebranded as "Minefield".

Recte: I read the date wrong. It was years after the thread by Andrei that I started to feel uneasy. Mea culpa. I should have copped it earlier, given that said thread is from 2014!
November 28, 2018
On Wednesday, 28 November 2018 at 00:12:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> The issue of prioritization of reviewing PRs, etc, perennially comes up and has done so again recently:
>
> https://digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/It_is_the_year_2020_why_should_I_use_learn_D_321380.html#N321572
>
> It seems we're not the only group struggling with this issue. Food for thought, and some controversy:
>
> https://gist.github.com/richhickey/1563cddea1002958f96e7ba9519972d9
>
> https://gist.github.com/halgari/c17f378718cbd2fd82324002133ef678#gistcomment-2768338
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18538123

I saw this, but I do think their situation is somewhat different, at least based on my Clojure usage around maybe 2011-2013.

Their development model seemed to be more like SQLite, where they'll call you if they want you to contribute, but they don't really ever call because they want to do it themselves. The D development model is AFAICT to get as many contributions from as many people as possible.
November 28, 2018
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 06:02:17PM -0700, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
> There was a post about it in D.Announce a couple of weeks ago:
> 
> https://forum.dlang.org/thread/swsfgggaawgylauuzjlm@forum.dlang.org
[...]

Ah, I haven't been keeping up with my D newsgroup subscriptions. Too much to read, too little time.  Thanks to threaded mail readers, I delete most threads because I simply don't have enough time to read everything. But that also means sometimes I miss important news. :-(


T

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