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Beta 2.100.2
Aug 31, 2022
Martin Nowak
Aug 31, 2022
matheus
Sep 01, 2022
Iain Buclaw
Sep 01, 2022
Guillaume Piolat
Sep 01, 2022
matheus
Sep 26, 2022
Hugo
August 31, 2022

Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.100.2 point release, ♥ to the 16 contributors.

http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta
http://dlang.org/changelog/2.100.2.html

As usual please report any bugs at
https://issues.dlang.org

N.B.: We had some delays to clarify the expired EV certificate and the next releases will ship without signed Windows binaries due to the complications and cost of EV certificates.

-Martin

August 31, 2022
On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 13:20:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
> Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.100.2 point release,

Thanks.

> N.B.: We had some delays to clarify the expired EV certificate and the next releases will ship without signed Windows binaries due to the complications and cost of EV certificates.

Is possible to share the costs for this?

Matheus.




September 01, 2022

On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 15:48:05 UTC, matheus wrote:

>

On Wednesday, 31 August 2022 at 13:20:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:

>

Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.100.2 point release,

Thanks.

>

N.B.: We had some delays to clarify the expired EV certificate and the next releases will ship without signed Windows binaries due to the complications and cost of EV certificates.

Is possible to share the costs for this?

Anywhere in the ballpark of an $750 to $1300 annual fee. Can only give an estimate as on top of the eye-watering EV prices, there may be more equally high fees for attestation and cloud signing.

To put that in context, the original certificate ordered in 2018 cost only $267 and was valid for 3 years. That's a price inflation of over 150% year-on-year!

The process has gotten more complex too, as it is now required to have some sort of hardware token in order to sign, not exactly CI pipeline friendly. Cloud-based HSM solutions exist, but at an opaque cost, and our current workflow will still be broken after getting it set-up anyway.

All this for at most only 12 signed Windows binaries per year (maybe 36 if you include the beta and rc releases). It's getting hard to justify proceeding with this cost unless we are really confident with just exactly what we are doing.

I've only come across one other language compiler that has an open issue for a lack of code signed release binaries. It seems that an agreement was made with the Mozilla foundation to use their autograph service, but they've made no progress on it for the last 7 years, and there are still no signed releases.

No one has raised an issue so far for all DMD releases since that occurred in the last 12 months, so either lack of signing isn't an problem, or people are just ignoring/working around whatever warning messages you might get for running unsigned binaries (NB: haven't used Windows since 2003 so I have no clue what happens when you run an unsigned binary).

September 01, 2022

On Thursday, 1 September 2022 at 04:34:40 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

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No one has raised an issue so far for all DMD releases since that occurred in the last 12 months, so either lack of signing isn't an problem, or people are just ignoring/working around whatever warning messages you might get for running unsigned binaries (NB: haven't used Windows since 2003 so I have no clue what happens when you run an unsigned binary).

When running an unsigned binary you get a warning at opening, that you can ignore.

OV certificate are less expensive than EV certificates, for example you can get one at https://www.ksoftware.net/code-signing-certificates/ that last 3 years.

September 01, 2022
On Thursday, 1 September 2022 at 04:34:40 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> ...
>
> Anywhere in the ballpark of an $750 to $1300 annual fee. Can only give an estimate as on top of the eye-watering EV prices, there may be more equally high fees for attestation and cloud signing.
>
> To put that in context, the original certificate ordered in 2018 cost only $267 and was valid for **3 years**.  That's a price inflation of over 150% year-on-year!
>
> ...

Wow I didn't know it was so expensive. I mean it was somewhat reasonable back in the day ($267 for 36 months ~ $ 7.41 per month), now it can be around  ~ $ 62 to $ 108, too much expensive.

I'm foreigner and if in need I can throw in $ 30.00 per month, but I think this must be paid upfront for a year.

But since you said nobody is complaining maybe just let it be.

Thanks for the info,

Matheus.
September 26, 2022
Hi,

> Can only give an estimate as on top of the eye-watering EV prices

As far as I know, EV certificates are only required for device drivers in
Windows.
An OV certificate plus timestamp should be enough to sign an executable for
Windows.

Hugo