June 23, 2022
On 6/23/2022 9:43 PM, Max Samukha wrote:
> Another lie is "There's no such thing as bad publicity”. Bad press is bad. Threads like "Why D is unpopular?" shouldn't reach 1000 posts.

One thing we do is wear the hairshirt a lot. It's really unnecessary, no other language project does that.
June 24, 2022
On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 04:43:34 UTC, Max Samukha wrote:
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> Another lie is "There's no such thing as bad publicity”. Bad press is bad. Threads like "Why D is unpopular?" shouldn't reach 1000 posts.

1000+ does seem a little high ;-)

But I think is was motivated by someone actually wanting to make it more popular, not less popular.

I don't want to be part of a world, where people don't feel comfortable, or feel unsafe, to express their thoughts and feeling about this or that matter.

I think that would have a much greater, negative effect on the D brand.

I personally believe the D brand is better and stronger, because it can tolerate threads like that one.

But that's just my own perspective.

June 24, 2022
On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 05:15:22 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
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> One thing we do is wear the hairshirt a lot. It's really unnecessary, no other language project does that.

That's because we all to often, including me, forget that D is not a multibillion dollar organisation that can throw limitless amount of talent and money at the language.

But still, what else to we have to compare D with, other than those languages.

Just wear something under it. It'll make it a little less uncomfortable.
June 24, 2022
On 24/06/2022 2:48 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> Yes, we in the D community do do marketing and promotion. It's just that we're up against other communities that are very good at it.

We certainly need to do better, part of that is curbing the negative non-productive talks on the forum.

I need to bring this back up with Mike, but ya know he is busy so I'm not too keen to bother him until a bit of time has passed since last time I brought it up.


One thing that we could do, is pay someone about once a year to make an album of music (royalty free so it can be used for live streamers!) to commemorate the year released around DConf. Somebody like Popskyy.

While I don't think any other programming language does this, the OpenBSD community does[0].

[0] https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
June 24, 2022

On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 18:33:21 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

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You really had me there Don until you snuck in the 'why D is unpopular' at the end LOL. This thread should be renamed 'Why D Is Unpopular (Thread #4) (Polite Version). We were all waiting for Bauss but you snuck in there.

Maybe I don't get it, but what exactly is the reference for me here?

June 24, 2022

On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 06:38:29 UTC, bauss wrote:

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On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 18:33:21 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

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You really had me there Don until you snuck in the 'why D is unpopular' at the end LOL. This thread should be renamed 'Why D Is Unpopular (Thread #4) (Polite Version). We were all waiting for Bauss but you snuck in there.

Maybe I don't get it, but what exactly is the reference for me here?

Yes sorry Bauss it was a while ago but you joked you would start the next 'Why D Is Unpopular' thread (in response to all the new Why D Is Unpopular threads)

June 24, 2022

On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 07:06:59 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

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On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 06:38:29 UTC, bauss wrote:

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On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 18:33:21 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

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You really had me there Don until you snuck in the 'why D is unpopular' at the end LOL. This thread should be renamed 'Why D Is Unpopular (Thread #4) (Polite Version). We were all waiting for Bauss but you snuck in there.

Maybe I don't get it, but what exactly is the reference for me here?

Yes sorry Bauss it was a while ago but you joked you would start the next 'Why D Is Unpopular' thread (in response to all the new Why D Is Unpopular threads)

Oh, I remember it now. I totally forgot about it, so the context of your message was totally lost to me, my bad :)

June 24, 2022
On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 04:43:34 UTC, Max Samukha wrote:
> On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 02:48:32 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
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> Threads like "Why D is unpopular?" shouldn't reach 1000 posts.

I do recall that the thread did stall for a few weeks, I think it did that twice. But then someone resurrected it.
June 24, 2022
On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 04:43:34 UTC, Max Samukha wrote:
> On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 02:48:32 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
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>> Remember that movie "Field of Dreams"? To have a successful baseball field, "build it and they'll come". That's a pernicious lie.
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> Another lie is "There's no such thing as bad publicity”. Bad press is bad. Threads like "Why D is unpopular?" shouldn't reach 1000 posts.

That "quote" is usually attributed to P T Barnum, (or some variation to Oscar Wilde), so i think it has to be taken in context, if you're running a circus / freak show bad press can sometimes be good in the same way press outrage at an "offensive" film can drive people to see it.

Not so good otherwise though.
June 24, 2022
On Friday, 24 June 2022 at 06:31:37 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
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> We certainly need to do better, part of that is curbing the negative non-productive talks on the forum.
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> I need to bring this back up with Mike, but ya know he is busy so I'm not too keen to bother him until a bit of time has passed since last time I brought it up.

Just don't curb the negative-productive ones please ;-)

i.e.

the one that resulted in this:

https://github.com/dkorpel/dmd/tree/private-this

Although i must mention, Dennis implementing this, is *****NOT***** an indication of his support for it.