November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 15:28:20 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

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On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 16:30:14 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

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Nim forums are moderated: https://forum.nim-lang.org/
Rust forums are moderated: https://users.rust-lang.org/
Go forums are moderated: https://forum.golangbridge.org/
If you browse them, I doubt you will find the kind of systematic negativity one can find here.

If you enjoy reading HN and Reddit, it's also because they are heavily moderated.

This is just my opinion, but I think the moderation on the D forums should be a bit more ban-happy.

Hacker news reporting all of Rust's mods just resigned.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845

Yeah just saw that drama. I wonder what that's all about

https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 18:05:45 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 15:28:20 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

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On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 16:30:14 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

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Nim forums are moderated: https://forum.nim-lang.org/
Rust forums are moderated: https://users.rust-lang.org/
Go forums are moderated: https://forum.golangbridge.org/
If you browse them, I doubt you will find the kind of systematic negativity one can find here.

If you enjoy reading HN and Reddit, it's also because they are heavily moderated.

This is just my opinion, but I think the moderation on the D forums should be a bit more ban-happy.

Hacker news reporting all of Rust's mods just resigned.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845

Yeah just saw that drama. I wonder what that's all about

https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671

Prediction: It's the same stuff all large projects and organizations encounter. Including this project.

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 18:27:31 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 18:05:45 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 15:28:20 UTC, jmh530 wrote:

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On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 16:30:14 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

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Hacker news reporting all of Rust's mods just resigned.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845

Yeah just saw that drama. I wonder what that's all about

https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671

Prediction: It's the same stuff all large projects and organizations encounter. Including this project.

What is it they encounter?

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 20:56:21 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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What is it they encounter?

Disagreements about direction, and personal conflicts in the core team.

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 21:02:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 20:56:21 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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What is it they encounter?

Disagreements about direction, and personal conflicts in the core team.

I understand, I was more curious of what exactly

Anyone got inside info? 😎

November 22
On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 08:55:42 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
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> It wasn't a mistake for C++ to be compatible with C, but their users also don't crave automatic memory management.
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For the time, perhaps not. But in hindsight, all C++ did, was to 'add onto' a language that provided very little in terms of safety guarantees.

D is inheriting all of that too, while adding on to it.

A lot of the code in the future, will need formal safety guarantees, and at some point, I wouldn't be surprised if countries start passing legislation to mandate this (well, they already do this in some industries anyway).

D cannot provide such guarantees.. and will never be in a position to do so.

I suppose what I'm getting at, is D really a language I'd recommend to the CIO?

Or is it just nice to play around with.

I'd say that latter, in which case.. (to get back on topic).. who really cares when D2 is finished ;-)
November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 21:15:53 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 21:02:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

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On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 20:56:21 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

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What is it they encounter?

Disagreements about direction, and personal conflicts in the core team.

I understand, I was more curious of what exactly

Anyone got inside info? 😎

No. But it's clearly related to 'the moderators' trying (and failing) to enforce a code of conduct upon the core team.

Their code of conduct is like a religion to them (to the moderators that is).

So really...nothing to see here... this kinda thing is inevitable.

btw. Who moderates the moderators?

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 21:38:57 UTC, forkit wrote:

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For the time, perhaps not. But in hindsight, all C++ did, was to 'add onto' a language that provided very little in terms of safety guarantees.

Yes. Bjarne Stroustrup missed the modelling features of Simula (OOP and coroutines) and added those to C. Of course, C++ became the black bastardized sheep of OOP and academics frowned... Then Java was inspired by OOP and more or less reimplemented Simula (semantically close), and Bjarne got a prize for his OOP efforts. :-D

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A lot of the code in the future, will need formal safety guarantees, and at some point, I wouldn't be surprised if countries start passing legislation to mandate this (well, they already do this in some industries anyway).

D cannot provide such guarantees.. and will never be in a position to do so.

D could become interesting for small businesses or individuals that create commercial interactive desktop products. Clean up the semantics, syntax, memory management and build an application framework for D.

I guess Swift is workable, to some extent, but very Mac centric and requires some C. D could be a cross platform replacement for Swift + C.

But it takes a lot of focus on polish (semantics + syntax). And well, "focus" and "polish" requires disciplined planning.

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Or is it just nice to play around with.

I'd say that latter, in which case.. (to get back on topic).. who really cares when D2 is finished ;-)

I'd care, if it was polished and suitable for effectively creating highly interactive software.

But then we come back to disciplined planning. Which seems to be an unsurmountable challenge.

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 21:53:08 UTC, forkit wrote:

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btw. Who moderates the moderators?

They did. They fired themselves.

November 22

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 22:14:46 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:

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But then we come back to disciplined planning. Which seems to be an unsurmountable challenge.

Creativity and 'disciplined planning' don't combine well .. and never will.

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