On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:42:39 +0100
Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

> Java salaries low, lol...
yes, they are. but java programmers believe that they are somehow "high-payed professionals". it helps alot when hiring new java codemonkey.

On Tuesday, 23 September 2014 at 17:59:33 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:42:39 +0100
> Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
>> Java salaries low, lol...
> yes, they are. but java programmers believe that they are somehow
> "high-payed professionals". it helps alot when hiring new java
> codemonkey.

Of course, the more Java programmers you have (and you have a lot), the less you need to pay. A dime a dozen. These are the rules of the same market that hypes languages like Java. Ain't no rocket sciences. Sure, if you've managed to become a software-architecture-project-manager guru somewhere, you'll get a good salary. But all the coders from entry to mid level don't get that much, because they are "replaceable", as they say.

Another thing about Java (a social aspect) is that everybody, not just programmers, have heard of it somehow. So to be a "Java developer" sounds good and acceptable. People can vaguely imagine some sort of programming / IT thing. It's the perfect job to mention to your future in-laws, ha ha ha.

Am 23.09.2014 21:23, schrieb Chris:
> On Tuesday, 23 September 2014 at 17:59:33 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:42:39 +0100
>> Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Java salaries low, lol...
>> yes, they are. but java programmers believe that they are somehow
>> "high-payed professionals". it helps alot when hiring new java
>> codemonkey.
>
> Of course, the more Java programmers you have (and you have a lot), the
> less you need to pay. A dime a dozen. These are the rules of the same
> market that hypes languages like Java. Ain't no rocket sciences. Sure,
> if you've managed to become a software-architecture-project-manager guru
> somewhere, you'll get a good salary. But all the coders from entry to
> mid level don't get that much, because they are "replaceable", as they say.
>
> Another thing about Java (a social aspect) is that everybody, not just
> programmers, have heard of it somehow. So to be a "Java developer"
> sounds good and acceptable. People can vaguely imagine some sort of
> programming / IT thing. It's the perfect job to mention to your future
> in-laws, ha ha ha.

Lets just say my employer consulting fees and what I get from them, keep my accountant very very very happy.

--
Paulo

On Tuesday, 23 September 2014 at 22:05:35 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 23.09.2014 21:23, schrieb Chris:
>> On Tuesday, 23 September 2014 at 17:59:33 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:42:39 +0100
>>> Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Java salaries low, lol...
>>> yes, they are. but java programmers believe that they are somehow
>>> "high-payed professionals". it helps alot when hiring new java
>>> codemonkey.
>>
>> Of course, the more Java programmers you have (and you have a lot), the
>> less you need to pay. A dime a dozen. These are the rules of the same
>> market that hypes languages like Java. Ain't no rocket sciences. Sure,
>> if you've managed to become a software-architecture-project-manager guru
>> somewhere, you'll get a good salary. But all the coders from entry to
>> mid level don't get that much, because they are "replaceable", as they say.
>>
>> Another thing about Java (a social aspect) is that everybody, not just
>> programmers, have heard of it somehow. So to be a "Java developer"
>> sounds good and acceptable. People can vaguely imagine some sort of
>> programming / IT thing. It's the perfect job to mention to your future
>> in-laws, ha ha ha.
>
> Lets just say my employer consulting fees and what I get from them, keep my accountant very very very happy.
>
> --
> Paulo

Let's just say that you've been in that game for a long time now. Ask someone who is looking for a job with Java right now. An entry level job. Different story. But maybe things are different in different countries.