In article <cpsn54$304s$1@digitaldaemon.com>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
>
>Sebastian Beschke wrote:
>
>  If you find any bugs, please be sure to report them to me. It's not
>> *that* excessively tested (which will change this weekend as I'm actually using it to make a game :) )
>
>Can't test it with GDC since it uses EndianStream from DMD 0.107, and GDC is currently only up to features from DMD version 0.102 :(
>
>You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
>But the zip file works this time :-) (with Windows/Linux binaries)
>
>--anders

Oh! It's great language!
When I view the Groovy code,
I think sameone C like list language idea.
I love C like language.
I hope D preprocessor is

D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud -> DPP -> D source code.

Reference

EPP (The extensible Java pre-processor EPP)
http://staff.aist.go.jp/y-ichisugi/epp/index.html

Java source code -> EPP -> S expression(lisp) ->
Java macro program -> S expression -> EPP -> Java source code.

I think S expression is difficult or avoided to normal programer. but Sofud is good and lovely.

and I hope, Sofud like language can defined D language.

SGML <-> HTML <-> DTD
XML <-> XHTML <-> XMLScheme, Relax NG
? <-> D <-> ?
Sofud <-> D-- <-> ?

Thanks,
Sakurai.

Hi,

Hiroshi Sakurai wrote:
> In article <cpsn54$304s$1@digitaldaemon.com>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
> 
> Oh! It's great language!
> When I view the Groovy code,
> I think sameone C like list language idea.
> I love C like language.
> I hope D preprocessor is 
> 
> D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud ->
> DPP -> D source code.
[...]

Hi,


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what exactly you're saying. ^^ I do understand a little Japanese, so if you reposted in Japanese, perhaps I could work my way through it with a dictionary.

However, I fear you misunderstand the use and purpose of Sofu. It doesn't have anything to do with a Preprocessor, it is merely a data format for configuration files, like INI or XML. Of course, if you really wanted to, you could use it to generate D code, and it'd be pretty interesting to see the results. But that's not what I intended during development :)

-Sebastian

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> Sebastian Beschke wrote:
> 
> Can't test it with GDC since it uses EndianStream from DMD 0.107,
> and GDC is currently only up to features from DMD version 0.102 :(
> 

Sorry about that. I've only used dmd.

> You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
> But the zip file works this time :-) (with Windows/Linux binaries)

Well, somewhere I stated that I used DMD 0.109 and said it probably wouldn't work with any other compiler ^^
But I don't really want to re-implement EndianStream for GDC users, I think the best thing would be to wait until the next GDC update. Alternatively, you might try c/ping the class from DMD phobos.

scons is only required for building the library, and that's stated in the readme. It probably should be on the web page too.

> 
> --anders

Thanks for the feedback :)
-Sebastian

Sebastian Beschke wrote:

>> You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
> 
> Well, somewhere I stated that I used DMD 0.109 and said it probably wouldn't work with any other compiler ^^

It didn't. :-)

> But I don't really want to re-implement EndianStream for GDC users, I think the best thing would be to wait until the next GDC update. 

That's what I meant. (no feedback for you until then)

> scons is only required for building the library, and that's stated in the readme. It probably should be on the web page too.

No problem, it was easy enough to install. ("rpm --rebuild")
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons-0.96.1-1.src.rpm

--anders

In article <cpsupi$7l3$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Sebastian Beschke says...
>
>Hi,
>
>Hiroshi Sakurai wrote:
>> In article <cpsn54$304s$1@digitaldaemon.com>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
>> 
>> Oh! It's great language!
>> When I view the Groovy code,
>> I think sameone C like list language idea.
>> I love C like language.
>> I hope D preprocessor is
>> 
>> D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud -> DPP -> D source code.
>[...]
>
>Hi,
>
>
>I'm sorry, but I have no idea what exactly you're saying. ^^ I do understand a little Japanese, so if you reposted in Japanese, perhaps I could work my way through it with a dictionary.
>
>However, I fear you misunderstand the use and purpose of Sofu. It doesn't have anything to do with a Preprocessor, it is merely a data format for configuration files, like INI or XML. Of course, if you really wanted to, you could use it to generate D code, and it'd be pretty interesting to see the results. But that's not what I intended during development :)
>
>-Sebastian

I understand Sofu like INI or XML or YAML or S Expression.
Sofu is not Preprocessor.
Preprocessor idea is my Sofu used application idea.

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Thanks,
Sakurai.