On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 04:05:10 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 01:09:25 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>> Before doing anything I'd suggest trying to reach main DMD/Phobos developers and ask them what kind of tools they feel lacking and what they would personally use. Such solution is only useful if it solves real problems of developers and thus is not viewed as additional maintenance burden. As Andrei has mentioned, there was one attempt of using Trello for similar purposed some time ago and it didn't catch up.
>
> Isn't that what this forum post is for?  To see what the core DMD/Phobos developers would like.  Is there another place to post this sort of question?

Maybe it is worth duplicating to dmd-internals mail list and with CC to those who actively contribute to DMD. To be honest I don't even know who is currently in active D development team. In this thread I see Andrei and Vladimir but neither seem very enthusiastic.

> Do you have some more details on what this priority communication would look like.  I can document it in my list of desirable features.

It is better to ask Martin - I don't take part in any of those and have roughly as much understanding of the process as you do :)

But one thing that has occured to me is that we don't really need any complicated tool - just creating dedicated D-Programming-Language/bigpicture repo with issues enabled (editable only by core devs) and moving stuff from http://wiki.dlang.org/Agenda there in form of milestones and issues with link aggregation would be enough.

But, again, my opinion has zero value here.

On 1/28/15 3:18 AM, Dicebot wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 04:05:10 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 01:09:25 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>>> Before doing anything I'd suggest trying to reach main DMD/Phobos
>>> developers and ask them what kind of tools they feel lacking and what
>>> they would personally use. Such solution is only useful if it solves
>>> real problems of developers and thus is not viewed as additional
>>> maintenance burden. As Andrei has mentioned, there was one attempt of
>>> using Trello for similar purposed some time ago and it didn't catch up.
>>
>> Isn't that what this forum post is for?  To see what the core
>> DMD/Phobos developers would like.  Is there another place to post this
>> sort of question?
>
> Maybe it is worth duplicating to dmd-internals mail list and with CC to
> those who actively contribute to DMD. To be honest I don't even know who
> is currently in active D development team.

Folks active on the github repo are pretty much it.

> In this thread I see Andrei and Vladimir but neither seem very
> enthusiastic.

For my money I do think we could gain a bit by organizing ourselves better, but not a lot. We have a problem of scarce resources more than one of resource allocation. D's issues and their relative importance are very well known. Framing it all as a matter of "these folks need better management" would be simplistic.

That said, high-level vision is always good to have and communicate. Also, whilst it's clear to the insiders what's going on, we need to better communicate what's happening. Adam's weekly newsletter is part of that, but we could do more.

>> Do you have some more details on what this priority communication
>> would look like.  I can document it in my list of desirable features.
>
> It is better to ask Martin - I don't take part in any of those and have
> roughly as much understanding of the process as you do :)
>
> But one thing that has occured to me is that we don't really need any
> complicated tool - just creating dedicated
> D-Programming-Language/bigpicture repo with issues enabled (editable
> only by core devs) and moving stuff from http://wiki.dlang.org/Agenda
> there in form of milestones and issues with link aggregation would be
> enough.

Yes, I think that would be useful.

> But, again, my opinion has zero value here.

Save it :o). I am very biased toward listening to people who contribute.


Andrei

On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 11:18:46 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> Maybe it is worth duplicating to dmd-internals mail list and with CC to those who actively contribute to DMD. To be honest I don't even know who is currently in active D development team. In this thread I see Andrei and Vladimir but neither seem very enthusiastic.
Why not use #d-internals instead on IRC + searchable botbot.me logs for communication and brainstorming?

On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 14:56:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> But one thing that has occured to me is that we don't really need any
>> complicated tool - just creating dedicated
>> D-Programming-Language/bigpicture repo with issues enabled (editable
>> only by core devs) and moving stuff from http://wiki.dlang.org/Agenda
>> there in form of milestones and issues with link aggregation would be
>> enough.
>
> Yes, I think that would be useful.

That also could be the meta-repo with submodules for other ones - I remember last time discussion stalled because no one actually took action. Will try hacking something this month for experiments.

On 1/28/15 7:09 AM, Dicebot wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 14:56:05 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> But one thing that has occured to me is that we don't really need any
>>> complicated tool - just creating dedicated
>>> D-Programming-Language/bigpicture repo with issues enabled (editable
>>> only by core devs) and moving stuff from http://wiki.dlang.org/Agenda
>>> there in form of milestones and issues with link aggregation would be
>>> enough.
>>
>> Yes, I think that would be useful.
>
> That also could be the meta-repo with submodules for other ones - I
> remember last time discussion stalled because no one actually took
> action. Will try hacking something this month for experiments.

Thanks! -- Andrei

On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 at 00:21:58 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Tuesday, 27 January 2015 at 18:10:10 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:
>> Would people want and use a website that tracks who's working on what in the D Programming Language?
>
> Somewhat related, there's this page on the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.dlang.org/People

I changed the section title "Articles on People" to "Bios and Information" because it seems friendlier.

"Andrei Alexandrescu"  wrote in message news:maata5$1cpr$1@digitalmars.com...

> That said, high-level vision is always good to have and communicate. Also, whilst it's clear to the insiders what's going on, we need to better communicate what's happening. Adam's weekly newsletter is part of that, but we could do more.

The best tool we've ever had for this is dconf.  I wish we could afford to do it every few months. 

On 1/28/15 8:32 AM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
> "Andrei Alexandrescu"  wrote in message
> news:maata5$1cpr$1@digitalmars.com...
>
>> That said, high-level vision is always good to have and communicate.
>> Also, whilst it's clear to the insiders what's going on, we need to
>> better communicate what's happening. Adam's weekly newsletter is part
>> of that, but we could do more.
>
> The best tool we've ever had for this is dconf.  I wish we could afford
> to do it every few months.

BTW I think your submission got lost in the mail. Please resend. -- Andrei

"Andrei Alexandrescu"  wrote in message news:mab3ba$1ipq$1@digitalmars.com...

> BTW I think your submission got lost in the mail. Please resend. -- Andrei

I still have 29 days!