On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 16:18:15 UTC, Wyatt wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 03:04:05 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> https://z0ltan.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/goodbye-rust-and-hello-d/
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> I like the bit in the comments where he says this:
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> "It doesn’t have to be idiomatic to work just fine, which is relaxing."
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> People often don't get how nice this is.
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> -Wyatt

"Beautiful! The code probably deserves a bit of explanation – in D, functions are (as far as I can tell), first-class objects"

Maybe they should be...

On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 19:07:29 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
> I've seen this mentioned serval times now by people coming from Rust.
>
> Rust users: Is the PC/politicking really that pervasive in their community?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg

Lot of good stuff in there, but, if you know how to read between the lines, all you need to know about the PC/politicking as well.

On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 20:21:24 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> Lot of good stuff in there, but, if you know how to read between the lines, all you need to know about the PC/politicking as well.

Oh, you and I travel in the same circles (*those* subreddits), I think I can id PC when I see it ;).

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg

If anyone wanted a manual on "How to Build an Echo-Chamber", I would advise you to watch this video starting at about the 7:00 mark.

Also, It's quite telling about the ideology of the rust devs that something as mundane as testing automation was framed/explained in an us vs. them narrative.

Also, their test suite apparently takes HOURS, wtf.

On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 04:56:55 UTC, thedeemon wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 19:09:11 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
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>> Yep. If you want to give someone enough rope to get maximum performance, you have to give them enough rope to shoot themselves in the foot. Once you've moved into this territory, you've made a decision to throw away safety and convenience in the name of performance, and you better understand what you're doing.
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> I think ATS language is a contradiction here, it combines max performance (at some point it was #1 at the PL shootout, faster than C) with static guarantees Rust folks could only dream about. But the price you pay is amount of intellectual efforts (and time, a lot of time!) to write any non-trivial program.

Performance, Safety and Productivity. You can only choose two.

On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 19:07:29 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 03:04:05 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> https://z0ltan.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/goodbye-rust-and-hello-d/
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> This reenforces my estimation that the most persuasive feature of any language is the ability to get shit done. That's not a positive value judgement on that focus however. The argument probably should side on the ability to make safe/correct programs _while also_ creating them quickly.
>

That's the beauty of D. You can get shit done in an elegant and pragmatic way. The only downside is that one is tempted to spend too much time on making it even more elegant, but if you're pressed for time you can always come back later. It's only when I deal with other languages that I realize how many nice little features D has that make things so much easier. Features that are easy to use and produce cleaner, more compact code.

On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 21:25:41 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 20:21:24 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>
> Oh, you and I travel in the same circles (*those* subreddits), I think I can id PC when I see it ;).
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg
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> If anyone wanted a manual on "How to Build an Echo-Chamber", I would advise you to watch this video starting at about the 7:00 mark.

From the video:

"Why do people keep getting into conflicts? And the answer you find, if you keep asking why enough is diversity. People have diverse viewpoints on what you should be doing, and that's basically the root cause of all disagreement."

All there is left to say is Rust in Peace.

On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 21:25:41 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 20:21:24 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg
>
> If anyone wanted a manual on "How to Build an Echo-Chamber", I would advise you to watch this video starting at about the 7:00 mark.

LOL these kids could use some experience writing C for Linus Torvalds

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/

On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 22:43:49 UTC, XavierAP wrote:
> On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 21:25:41 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 at 20:21:24 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg
>>
>> If anyone wanted a manual on "How to Build an Echo-Chamber", I would advise you to watch this video starting at about the 7:00 mark.
>
> LOL these kids could use some experience writing C for Linus Torvalds
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/

The political correctness is one of the major things wrong with both Rust and this country.  I am glad D community doesn't engage in this Snowflake BS.  Thats one of the big +'s for D.  I'll stay away from Rust and other Snowflake ran projects.

PSA: please don't feed the trolls.