Hello Nick,

> "Nick Sabalausky" <a@a.a> wrote in message
> news:gna51a$r4n$1@digitalmars.com...
> 
>> "John Reimer" <terminal.node@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:28b70f8c144158cb5d8c0c1ac480@news.digitalmars.com...
>> 
>>> Hello Nick,
>>> 
>>>> "John Reimer" <terminal.node@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:28b70f8c143d88cb5d632bf3cd10@news.digitalmars.com...
>>>> 
>>>>> That's a strong accusation, Steve, without knowing me; it's a very
>>>>> hasty reduction for circumstances, personalities, and factors you
>>>>> are quite unfamiliar with.  I didn't see you mention this sort of
>>>>> thing while people were talking about physically harming the
>>>>> internet marketer's in horrible ways in the javascript discussion.
>>>>> :)
>>>>> 
>>>> It was clear that the violent things said in that discussion were
>>>> not intended literally. The images on bearophile's site are *also*
>>>> clearly fictional. Thus we don't mind either. But your comments
>>>> against it were more serious.
>>>> 
>>> Yes, they were serious.  The fact that they are fictional is not an
>>> argument for "right" as I expressed in other posts that brought
>>> other analogies into the spectrum to show that everyone will enforce
>>> their limits at some point, fictional or otherwise.
>>> 
>> I was merely explaining the discrepancy between how most of us
>> reacted to the content in the javascript discussion and how we
>> reacted to your original post against bearophile.
>> 
> In other words, while you may not consider "real" vs "not-real" to be
> a useful variable to include in the "acceptability" equation, many of
> us do, and that is why we reacted differently in the different
> situations. In that particular portion of my message above, I wasn't
> attempting to make any point beyond that.
> 


Yeah, I think I misunderstood you there.  Thanks for the clarification.


-JJR

BCS wrote:
> Hello Andrei,
> 
>> Let me add one too: there/their.
>>
>> Andrei
>>
> 
> Oops :(
> I don't /think/ I'm dyslexic :b
> 
> 

That lysdexia is a killer isn't it :o).

Andrei

I suppose I should say something.

The website is hosted on Smartsoft's servers. I pay for the bandwidth. I am not responsible for user supplied content posted here.

We are all adults here, and I am not anyone's mother, nor am I the morals police.

I'll remove specific posts if the author of them asks me to, as I understand completely if someone has second thoughts about something they posted.

I'll also remove drive-by spam posts, anything with illegal content, and links to illegal content or malware sites, as I become aware of them and am reasonably able to. If anyone sees something like that (I can't read all the posts) please let me know with a private email. This forum has been remarkably free of that, though. This is one reason why I would prefer google to continue to refuse to recognize our server <g>.

If anyone finds a particular poster personally offensive, that's what kill files are for. Ostracism also works well - trolls tend to go away if nobody responds to their vitriol.

Eventually, I'd like to have some sort of voting system on posts, and then registered users can downvote into oblivion any trash (and even better, upvote the gems!).

Hello Walter,

> 
> Eventually, I'd like to have some sort of voting system on posts, and
> then registered users can downvote into oblivion any trash (and even
> better, upvote the gems!).
> 

something like this? <G>

http://stackoverflow.com

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:42:17 -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> BCS wrote:
>> Hello Andrei,
>> 
>>> Let me add one too: there/their.
>>>
>>> Andrei
>>>
>>>
>> Oops :(
>> I don't /think/ I'm dyslexic :b
>> 
>> 
>> 
> That lysdexia is a killer isn't it :o).
> 
> Andrei

dyslexics of the world untie!!!

Hello Walter,

> I suppose I should say something.
> 
> The website is hosted on Smartsoft's servers. I pay for the bandwidth.
> I am not responsible for user supplied content posted here.
> 
> We are all adults here, and I am not anyone's mother, nor am I the
> morals police.
> 
> I'll remove specific posts if the author of them asks me to, as I
> understand completely if someone has second thoughts about something
> they posted.
> 
> I'll also remove drive-by spam posts, anything with illegal content,
> and links to illegal content or malware sites, as I become aware of
> them and am reasonably able to. If anyone sees something like that (I
> can't read all the posts) please let me know with a private email.
> This forum has been remarkably free of that, though. This is one
> reason why I would prefer google to continue to refuse to recognize
> our server <g>.
> 
> If anyone finds a particular poster personally offensive, that's what
> kill files are for. Ostracism also works well - trolls tend to go away
> if nobody responds to their vitriol.
> 
> Eventually, I'd like to have some sort of voting system on posts, and
> then registered users can downvote into oblivion any trash (and even
> better, upvote the gems!).
> 


Walter, I regret that I have spoken rather hastily about you in my frustration. I disagree with how you sometimes handle (or don't handle) things, but I do admit that you have always been responsive to me when I've written you personally about a matter.  You haven't always listened, but you've responded. That I appreciate.


I personally don't think the "we're all adults here" argument flies very well.  That assumption seems to have been the general operating principle of this group for awhile, and it hasn't turned out to be exactly true... more so wishful thinking :).  And if that were true, we wouldn't need a voting system on posts.  Nonetheless, that would  be an interesting experiment in self-moderation.  Also relying on this community to refuse to feed the trolls has never worked.  


Regarding this topic... you never responded which means this is the answer in itself.  But that's okay.


I started this with the wrong approach for what I still consider a serious matter.  Maffi Leonardo, my apologies for not addressing you privately first on the matter.  My apologies to the group for rushing the matter out without a little more forethought.  I think most of my arguments are valid, but this is somewhat lost when the manner of presentation is offensive to the majority of responders.  Sometimes this can't be avoided; but in this case, a little more discretion would have benefited me.


Maffi, I still wish that you would find a solution that moves or removes your "furry" material or the D material elsewhere so that the two are not connected (including your blog that appears on D planet).  I'll leave that up to your discretion, but such is the significance of it to me (specifically one image) that I would hope both Andrei and Walter would be consciencious of such a root  link in the D range reference.  Naturally, your contribution deserves credit, but I don't think there is any necessity for it to be joined to your website without a more responsible regard for linked content.


-JJR

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:20 AM, John Reimer <terminal.node@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maffi, I still wish that you would find a solution that moves or removes your "furry" material or the D material elsewhere so that the two are not connected (including your blog that appears on D planet).

I will second that.  I'm not interested in seeing posts about "furries" on Planet D.  Or posts about people's kids or people's rants on society, or political views, or C++, etc.

To everyone with a mixed-use blog on Planet D:  Please put categories on your posts and tell Anders Bergh (anders1@foogmail.com-foo) how to subscribe to just the D-related categories.  I have done so for my techblog (and also posted the instructions about how to do a category-specific feed for anyone else who uses WordPress -- http://www.billbaxter.com/techblog/?p=27 ).

--bb

John Reimer wrote:
> I personally don't think the "we're all adults here" argument flies very well.
> That assumption seems to have been the general operating principle of this group for awhile, and it hasn't turned out to be exactly true... more so wishful thinking :).  And if that were true, we wouldn't need a voting system on posts.

A voting system is also useful for those who just want to see the gems and not wade through the detritus.

I've looked at a few systems, and have never seen one that integrates seamlessly with news. I keep toying with writing one, but that requires supporting FreeBSD with D first <g>. Yeah, I would do it in D. The webnews thing we currently use is in PHP, and it frankly shows how desperate things are to have to use it.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> I've looked at a few systems, and have never seen one that integrates seamlessly with news. I keep toying with writing one, but that requires supporting FreeBSD with D first <g>. Yeah, I would do it in D. The webnews thing we currently use is in PHP, and it frankly shows how desperate things are to have to use it.

GDC already works on FreeBSD..

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> If I created a website that sometimes discussed Joe's Pizza Parlor and at other times posted drawings of cigarettes and even included my site's homepage link in my signature at Joe's Pizza Parlor Internet Message Board, then anyone who took that as an indication that Joe's Pizza Parlor endorses either smoking, non-smoking, or the act of making cigarette-related drawings, would clearly be a complete nut (Not that Joe's Pizza Parlor necessarily endorses, condemns, or is ambivalent towards nuts of either the human or tree-grown variety, or any other variety that may have ever existed, does exit, will exist or doesn't, didn't and/or never will exist). I see no reason for the same principle not to apply here.
> 
> This is the same pulling-imaginary-connections-out-of-thin-air kind of thinking that, in the early days of the web, led National Public Radio to pull that ridiculous stunt of trying to prohibit anyone from linking to their site.

The sad thing is, people are all too happy to draw these kinds of links; if they want to ruin something or someone, they'll take whatever fodder they can.

Just look at the video game violence debate...

 "It was violent video games that drove him to murder all those people,
like GTA!"

 "Umm... actually, he didn't play games.  He did have a lot of violent
R-rated movies, though, and..."

 "VIDEO GAMES!"

  -- Daniel