On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 16:46:02 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

In my experience, only 1 bug report of mine has ever been addressed; and the drama this week was patches written 6 years ago.

so the answer is just no; you should not expect d to change meaningfully ever. If you want a foundation to base a lot of people's livelihood on you should day 1 plan to build that foundation in parallel with whatever product you making so you have the talent on hand and meaningful control over the outcomes.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 12:54:33 UTC, Imperatorn wrote:

That is the only future of D unfortunately, that someone with a little vision of the future continues with D.

Don't wait for something to happen with the D foundation because you will probably retire before that.

There are other languages but not as nice as D in this particular niche which is really sad.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 17:20:36 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

Choosing a programming ecosystem for a business is a bit like a marriage, and if peoples' livelihoods depend on it then the decision should be taken seriously and objectively, looking at it from many angles. Having fun programming in D is important but there are many other factors.

Even businesses the size of Meta will think twice before choosing a language if if it means having to fork the language and maintain it. When smaller businesses get sucked into an area which is not in their core competence then it often leads to major problems and downstream regrets after the initial shine wears off.

D is great but a business decision to use it should be based on sound principles, not fanboi-isms. For me, if you need to fork D to use it for a business, that's a red flag.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 17:20:36 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

Can you explain your standpoint? Why do you think so?

Thanks

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 17:05:10 UTC, monkyyy wrote:

Hmm. I will take your points into consideration. Thanks

I'm making a list of pros and cons.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 17:29:51 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

Why? I would rather say that forking a programming language in order to tailor it for ones need is a serious commitment.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 18:00:13 UTC, IGotD- wrote:

Yes that's a fair comment. What I mean is that for most businesses, the choice between D and e.g. C++ is best understood in terms of risk /reward.

C++ is the low risk option, for a typical business, because it will still be around in 20 years, it will be well maintained, you will always be able to find a pool of developers who can maintain your code, it will link and compile with thousands of industry standard libraries, frameworks, protocols, hardware platforms.

So D is higher risk in that you may find yourself having to spend time (and much money) coding up your own libraries and hardware support. In 10 years time you might struggle to find D developers. However, the reward with D is that you can achieve the required functionality, over the next few years, much more quickly (i.e. more cheaply) than with C++.

So you choose D if you want to code up a well understood set of algorithms/functionalities on known platforms and you want to do it quickly/cheaply, and you know that D can provide all that you need.

You choose C++ for long term support, a huge breadth of platforms, some of which are future platforms you don't yet know about, and general maintenance ability over the years.

To finally answer your question, maintaining a compiler/ecosystem is a significant cost overhead the reduces the rewards of D to such an extent that it is normally wiser to choose C++.

On Sunday, 29 October 2023 at 18:12:46 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:

That seems dubious, theres also talk of c++ dying, c++ has super long compile times and maybe you use a feature that steps onto a landmine of those hours compiling. And as hard as making a compiler with your subset of d is, making a compiler for c++ seems all that much worse.