On 26-1-2012 0:58, bls wrote:
> On 01/24/2012 09:07 AM, Lionello Lunesu wrote:
>> Little over a year ago I held a tech talk at Microsoft about how I used
>> D to write readable COM code. A while back I thought I'd try to get
>> permission to share these slides, and what'dya know:
>>
>> http://lunesu.com/index.php?/archives/126-Modern-COM-Programming-in-D.html
>>
>>
>> Direct link to the slides:
>> http://lunesu.com/uploads/ModernCOMProgramminginD.pptx
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think!
>>
>> Lionello.
>
> Congratulations Lionello, This is not just a useful snippet. You have
> been able to explain all the D2 goodies in a reasonable context.
>
> This code should have a home and live at "Fine_Art_Of_D2_Programming.com"
> Very well done!
> Thank You, Bjoern
>

Thanks Bjoern! :)

On 26-1-2012 4:50, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 17:08:01 UTC, Lionello Lunesu wrote:
>> Little over a year ago I held a tech talk at Microsoft about how I
>> used D to write readable COM code. A while back I thought I'd try to
>> get permission to share these slides, and what'dya know:
>>
>> http://lunesu.com/index.php?/archives/126-Modern-COM-Programming-in-D.html
>>
>>
>> Direct link to the slides:
>> http://lunesu.com/uploads/ModernCOMProgramminginD.pptx
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think!
>>
>> Lionello.
>
> I have some questions related to this.
>
> One, do you know about Juno?
> http://www.dsource.org/projects/juno
> New Source location:
> https://github.com/he-the-great/Juno-Windows-Class-Library

Hadn't heard of it, no. Checking it now.

> Two, how does your work compare? Are these improvements that could go
> into Juno?

My code is a template that generates wrappers for COM interfaces. Sure, that template can be part of any related library, but the prerequisites probably make it too niche to be universally useful. For one, it needs a D-style interface definition for the COM interfaces.

> Three, you may be interested to know about tlbimpd:
> http://www.dsource.org/projects/juno/wiki/TypeLibraryImporter
>
> I revived the project for D2, but Richard Webb has actually done the
> work to make it usable. Wondering if effort on this could be
> consolidated and as brought up in the reddit comments maybe work could
> go towards WinRT support?

Hmm, this would work beautifully! tlbimpd could be extended to generate the same kind of wrappers for each COM object/interface.

About WinRT... That's actually how my code started out. There are still some WinR Treferences in the slides that I should have removed. Anyway, now that WinRT is 'out in the open' that's no longer an issue. So, yes, the same trick works for all of WinRT.

> Great presentation material though. Thank you for having done so.

Thanks!

L.

On Thursday, 26 January 2012 at 03:50:38 UTC, Lionello Lunesu wrote:

> Hmm, this would work beautifully! tlbimpd could be extended to generate the same kind of wrappers for each COM object/interface.
>
> About WinRT... That's actually how my code started out. There are still some WinR Treferences in the slides that I should have removed. Anyway, now that WinRT is 'out in the open' that's no longer an issue. So, yes, the same trick works for all of WinRT.

Looked more in depth at your code I see that you demonstrated the "D IDL" which I think is what tlbimpd is doing, still need to piece all these components together myself.

Looking at the Wikipage on WinRT, it seems that tlb is being "dropped" and replaced with a meta data format similar to .Net's. This would definitely be a nice area to have expanded.

There is also a comparison you do and I'm curious how you see this one working. VARIANT -> std.variant. In Juno the Variant struct is defined and it seems their are functions which take that type. Isn't the struct definition still going to be required for interoperability. It could be made transparent to the user though.

Very nice!  One tiny thing I noticed so far--the last 2 comments on page 8 are backwards.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Lionello Lunesu <lio@lunesu.remove.com> wrote:

> Little over a year ago I held a tech talk at Microsoft about how I used D to write readable COM code. A while back I thought I'd try to get permission to share these slides, and what'dya know:
> 
> http://lunesu.com/index.php?/archives/126-Modern-COM-Programming-in-D.html
> 
> Direct link to the slides: http://lunesu.com/uploads/ModernCOMProgramminginD.pptx
> 
> Let me know what you guys think!
> 
> Lionello.

On 26-1-2012 22:30, Sean Kelly wrote:
> Very nice!  One tiny thing I noticed so far--the last 2 comments on page 8 are backwards.

Yeah, saw that as well. Good catch! :)

On Wednesday, 25 January 2012 at 06:56:40 UTC, kdmult wrote:
> On Wednesday, 25 January 2012 at 01:08:04 UTC, Lionello Lunesu wrote:
>> Done:
>> http://lunesu.com/uploads/ModernCOMProgramminginD.pdf
>
> Could you correct the URL of your files on the last page?
>
>> My files
>> http://dpxml-lio/d/

Sorry the link http://dpxml-lio/d is unreachable from my side
(maybe someone blocked it :P).Could you please provide an
alternative place for download?

Appreciated.

Regards,
Sam

On Tuesday, 3 April 2012 at 07:49:28 UTC, Sam Hu wrote:

> Sorry the link http://dpxml-lio/d is unreachable from my side
> (maybe someone blocked it :P).Could you please provide an
> alternative place for download?
>
> Appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Sam

Most of his code isn't available as it was kind of under
Microsoft. However I revived Juno for D2 awhile ago (still need
to play with it myself). Juno provides some nice tools and API.

https://github.com/JesseKPhillips/Juno-Windows-Class-Library

http://dsource.org/projects/juno

On Tuesday, 3 April 2012 at 14:10:32 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 April 2012 at 07:49:28 UTC, Sam Hu wrote:
>
>> Sorry the link http://dpxml-lio/d is unreachable from my side
>> (maybe someone blocked it :P).Could you please provide an
>> alternative place for download?
>>
>> Appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sam
>
> Most of his code isn't available as it was kind of under
> Microsoft. However I revived Juno for D2 awhile ago (still need
> to play with it myself). Juno provides some nice tools and API.
>
> https://github.com/JesseKPhillips/Juno-Windows-Class-Library
>
> http://dsource.org/projects/juno

Thanks for the reply.Yes,Juno is great,I use it since D1.

Regards,
Sam

On Tuesday, 3 April 2012 at 14:10:32 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
> Most of his code isn't available as it was kind of under
> Microsoft. However I revived Juno for D2 awhile ago (still need
> to play with it myself). Juno provides some nice tools and API.
>
> https://github.com/JesseKPhillips/Juno-Windows-Class-Library
>
> http://dsource.org/projects/juno

There was a discussion about D support for xpcom at this thread a few years back, where the conclusion seems to have been that xpcom usage was abi compatible.  Have you  tested communicating with xpcom objects using the juno library?

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/fqkfsu$25g5$1@digitalmars.com#post-fqph1i:241kk3:241:40digitalmars.com

On 2012-04-12 17:59, Jay Norwood wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 April 2012 at 14:10:32 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
>> Most of his code isn't available as it was kind of under
>> Microsoft. However I revived Juno for D2 awhile ago (still need
>> to play with it myself). Juno provides some nice tools and API.
>>
>> https://github.com/JesseKPhillips/Juno-Windows-Class-Library
>>
>> http://dsource.org/projects/juno
>
> There was a discussion about D support for xpcom at this thread a few
> years back, where the conclusion seems to have been that xpcom usage was
> abi compatible. Have you tested communicating with xpcom objects using
> the juno library?
>
> http://forum.dlang.org/thread/fqkfsu$25g5$1@digitalmars.com#post-fqph1i:241kk3:241:40digitalmars.com

DWT uses XPCOM to integrate Firefox if I recall correctly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg