On 06/11/2016 09:02 AM, Martin Nowak wrote:
> On 06/10/2016 07:33 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> I'm a bit bummed about that. I like it. Is my understanding incorrect
>> that disqus is fairly established by now?
>
> You need to create an account with a pay-by-data company to even post
> something.

How would we estimate the intersection between folks who do want to ask a question, and folks who are ideologically opposed to signing up with disqus? Also, we need to be careful about the influence of our personal beliefs on the core contributors and the community. -- Andrei

On 06/11/2016 03:28 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2016 at 19:20:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 6/11/16 12:31 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>> Are_you_  going to spend time going through every single page in the
>>> documentation, looking to see whether someone asked a question and then
>>> reply to them if they did?
>>
>> I get notified by disqus for new posts. The basic idea is if we don't
>> prime it we'll never have it. -- Andrei
>
> I think it wouldn't be too hard to embed DFeed as a comment system. What
> do you think? Then anyone can subscribe to new comments through the
> usual means. The same solution can be applied to the blog.

I'm thinking the line between good dogfooding and NIH is thin. The real questions we should be asking ourselves is how well does disqus serve our purpose, how good a future it has, and how many folks see it as an unpleasant association. Also, how long it would take to adapt DFeed and what advantages/liabilities it has.

> I understand that the current bottleneck is someone adding new groups to
> the NNTP server. Can that be resolved?

Walter or Jan should be able to do that. But I'm confused as to how NNTP groups would help here.


Andrei

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:31:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Walter or Jan should be able to do that. But I'm confused as to how NNTP groups would help here.

It would allow people to subscribe and reply to comments using their newsreader (or by email, if it's also associated with a mailing list on Brad's server). It's one of the bigger reasons to consider using DFeed.

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:27:21 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> How would we estimate the intersection between folks who do want to ask a question, and folks who are ideologically opposed to signing up with disqus? Also, we need to be careful about the influence of our personal beliefs on the core contributors and the community. -- Andrei

Correct me if I'm wrong but the above consideration excludes the people who are capable of answering questions.

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 01:42:26 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong but the above consideration excludes the people who are capable of answering questions.

Yeah, I'm not likely to ever use disqus but if it went through the same n.g./mailing list interface at least I'd consider talking at times (though I personally think comments in documentation should typically be used to just go back and improve the documentation rather than making readers actually wade through the out-of-date and repetitive comment thread...)

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 01:57:44 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> (though I personally think comments in documentation should typically be used to just go back and improve the documentation rather than making readers actually wade through the out-of-date and repetitive comment thread...)

+1
Also I think having a "show in action"/"show usages" button that searches for the symbol within the dub universe would be a lot more useful.

On 6/13/16 9:41 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:31:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Walter or Jan should be able to do that. But I'm confused as to how
>> NNTP groups would help here.
>
> It would allow people to subscribe and reply to comments using their
> newsreader (or by email, if it's also associated with a mailing list on
> Brad's server). It's one of the bigger reasons to consider using DFeed.

So, this means that someone posts a question to the library's std.algorithm.map function (for example), and a newsgroup called `library` gets a post with subject like:

[std.algorithm.iteration.map] How does map work?

With replies on newsgroup and email server getting posted back to thread?

If this is the case, I'm all for it. The other features of disqus are trivial (up/downvoting mechanism), and not necessary there.

There must be a way, however, to remove posts (at least for dfeed). We don't want spam or irrelevant posts lingering there forever.

-Steve

On 6/13/16 9:42 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:27:21 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> How would we estimate the intersection between folks who do want to
>> ask a question, and folks who are ideologically opposed to signing up
>> with disqus? Also, we need to be careful about the influence of our
>> personal beliefs on the core contributors and the community. -- Andrei
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but the above consideration excludes the people
> who are capable of answering questions.

Oh, indeed - s/want to ask a question/want to ask or answer a question/

Andrei

On 6/13/16 9:41 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:31:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Walter or Jan should be able to do that. But I'm confused as to how
>> NNTP groups would help here.
>
> It would allow people to subscribe and reply to comments using their
> newsreader (or by email, if it's also associated with a mailing list on
> Brad's server). It's one of the bigger reasons to consider using DFeed.

Aren't the snazzy nice formatting and the display in the page the nicest things about on-doc-page comments? Email subscription to such is fine but writing via email or NNTP seems a clunky adaptation. BTW does disqus allow D syntax coloring? -- Andrei

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 13:40:57 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 6/13/16 9:41 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 at 00:31:56 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Walter or Jan should be able to do that. But I'm confused as to how
>>> NNTP groups would help here.
>>
>> It would allow people to subscribe and reply to comments using their
>> newsreader (or by email, if it's also associated with a mailing list on
>> Brad's server). It's one of the bigger reasons to consider using DFeed.
>
> Aren't the snazzy nice formatting and the display in the page the nicest things about on-doc-page comments? Email subscription to such is fine but writing via email or NNTP seems a clunky adaptation. BTW does disqus allow D syntax coloring? -- Andrei

Well, Markdown support is on the roadmap, and embedding it into the page like Disqus was part of the proposal. Email/NNTP is an option, not a requirement :)