On 6/25/15 12:46 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> On 06/25/2015 09:53 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>>
>> XP still has more market share right now than Windows 8.1, and that was
>> EOL in April 2014.
>>
>
> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?
>
>

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

-Steve

On 25/06/15 18:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?

Windows 8 was a big failure. Windows 10 is looking much better, I think it will get a much higher adaption rate.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 6/25/15 3:58 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 25/06/15 18:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>
>> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?
>
> Windows 8 was a big failure. Windows 10 is looking much better, I think
> it will get a much higher adaption rate.
>

With their track record of "every other release" cycle where one is great (XP, 7, (perhaps) 10) and one is horrid (Vista, 8[.1]), I wonder if they skipped 9 on purpose :)

I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading to 10 to try it out for free, that alone is going to foster huge adoption.

-Steve

On 25-Jun-2015 23:06, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On 6/25/15 3:58 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> On 25/06/15 18:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>
>>> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?
>>
>> Windows 8 was a big failure. Windows 10 is looking much better, I think
>> it will get a much higher adaption rate.
>>
>
> With their track record of "every other release" cycle where one is
> great (XP, 7, (perhaps) 10) and one is horrid (Vista, 8[.1]), I wonder
> if they skipped 9 on purpose :)

AFAIK they found that way too many apps do checks like: if(windowsVersion.startsWith("Windows 9"){
// use crappy legacy-compatible code
}
else{
// 2k/XP+ etc.
}


-- 
Dmitry Olshansky

On 6/25/15 4:10 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
> On 25-Jun-2015 23:06, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On 6/25/15 3:58 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> On 25/06/15 18:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?
>>>
>>> Windows 8 was a big failure. Windows 10 is looking much better, I think
>>> it will get a much higher adaption rate.
>>>
>>
>> With their track record of "every other release" cycle where one is
>> great (XP, 7, (perhaps) 10) and one is horrid (Vista, 8[.1]), I wonder
>> if they skipped 9 on purpose :)
>
> AFAIK they found that way too many apps do checks like:
> if(windowsVersion.startsWith("Windows 9"){
> // use crappy legacy-compatible code
> }
> else{
> // 2k/XP+ etc.
> }

That. is. hilarious.

Instead they could have made it Windows Nine :)

-Steve

On 25 Jun 2015 12:16, "ponce via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 16:10:44 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/windows-server-2003/
>>
>> Which means that (strictly speaking), in 3 weeks time, there will be
*no* operating system that supports CodeView debugging.
>>
>> This is an elongated way of asking
>>
>> "Can I remove -gc yet?"
>>
>> But as I'm not a Windows user, I'll have to ask how you guys deal with
debugging, and if you still rely on CV being emitted from DMD, you must hurry up to implement an alternative!
>>
>> Iain.
>
>
> Can't speak for all Windows users, but I think we mostly let cv2pdb
convert CV into something other tools understand.

That is not a good solution.  There's compiler should speak the tool's language.

On 26 Jun 2015 09:28, "Iain Buclaw" <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org> wrote:
>
> On 25 Jun 2015 12:16, "ponce via Digitalmars-d" <
digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 16:10:44 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/windows-server-2003/
> >>
> >> Which means that (strictly speaking), in 3 weeks time, there will be
*no* operating system that supports CodeView debugging.
> >>
> >> This is an elongated way of asking
> >>
> >> "Can I remove -gc yet?"
> >>
> >> But as I'm not a Windows user, I'll have to ask how you guys deal with
debugging, and if you still rely on CV being emitted from DMD, you must hurry up to implement an alternative!
> >>
> >> Iain.
> >
> >
> > Can't speak for all Windows users, but I think we mostly let cv2pdb
convert CV into something other tools understand.
>
> That is not a good solution.  There's compiler should speak the tool's
language.

Also, does cv2pdb support converting D specific CV symbols?

On Thursday, 25 June 2015 at 20:10:30 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
> On 25-Jun-2015 23:06, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> On 6/25/15 3:58 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> On 25/06/15 18:46, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heh, that's awesome actually :)  Got a source for that?
>>>
>>> Windows 8 was a big failure. Windows 10 is looking much better, I think
>>> it will get a much higher adaption rate.
>>>
>>
>> With their track record of "every other release" cycle where one is
>> great (XP, 7, (perhaps) 10) and one is horrid (Vista, 8[.1]), I wonder
>> if they skipped 9 on purpose :)
>
> AFAIK they found that way too many apps do checks like: if(windowsVersion.startsWith("Windows 9"){
> // use crappy legacy-compatible code
> }
> else{
> // 2k/XP+ etc.
> }

http://searchcode.com/?q=if%28version%2Cstartswith%28%22windows+9%22%29

On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 16:10:44 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/products/windows-server-2003/
>
> Which means that (strictly speaking), in 3 weeks time, there will be *no* operating system that supports CodeView debugging.
>
> This is an elongated way of asking
>
> "Can I remove -gc yet?"
>
> But as I'm not a Windows user, I'll have to ask how you guys deal with debugging, and if you still rely on CV being emitted from DMD, you must hurry up to implement an alternative!
>
> Iain.

I do not know about others, but I am using XP, and have no plan to move to something else any time soon. However, I am using it rarely, in a VM, whenever I need to test something on Windows. I have no plan of buying a newer Windows. I am sure there are many developers who do the same, or similar. :)

On Friday, 26 June 2015 at 10:40:25 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 at 16:10:44 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>> [...]
>
> I do not know about others, but I am using XP, and have no plan to move to something else any time soon. However, I am using it rarely, in a VM, whenever I need to test something on Windows. I have no plan of buying a newer Windows. I am sure there are many developers who do the same, or similar. :)

Might as well just use wine, it's pretty darn good nowadays.