On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 07:40:23 UTC, Paulo  Pinto wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 01:21:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:25:36 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:02:55 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/396c95/of_the_emerging_systems_languages_rust_d_go_nim/
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>> People also refer to Haskell as if it's some new hip language and it's almost as old as ANSI C.
>
> It is hip, because all those years have made its compilers quite good and made it one of most important languages currently in the world for Functional Programming research.
>
> It also has all these companies paying money for using/improving it:
>
> http://industry.haskell.org/partners
>
> https://github.com/commercialhaskell/commercialhaskell#readme
>
> You will find a few well known names there.
>
> --
> Paulo

only one that really stands out is microsoft, and haskell is basically a microsoft research project at this point.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 08:17:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 07:40:23 UTC, Paulo  Pinto wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 01:21:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:25:36 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:02:55 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/396c95/of_the_emerging_systems_languages_rust_d_go_nim/
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> People also refer to Haskell as if it's some new hip language and it's almost as old as ANSI C.
>>
>> It is hip, because all those years have made its compilers quite good and made it one of most important languages currently in the world for Functional Programming research.
>>
>> It also has all these companies paying money for using/improving it:
>>
>> http://industry.haskell.org/partners
>>
>> https://github.com/commercialhaskell/commercialhaskell#readme
>>
>> You will find a few well known names there.
>>
>> --
>> Paulo
>
> only one that really stands out is microsoft, and haskell is basically a microsoft research project at this point.

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On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:53:06 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:46:48 UTC, Israel wrote:
>> Ruby that compiles?
>
> Yet Rust, Nim and Crystal is a very young languages. And alas, life is not eternal to wait five years of a flourishing language :) There are already ready to be used option. This is D.

Exactly. Nim for example sounds interesting, however, we already have D. I've used it for years and I know that it scales and that I can write reliable real world applications in it. With Nim etc. it would take years to actually know, if it scales or if you hit a brick wall after a couple of years. D has overcome many of the "child diseases" that Nim, Crystal etc still have to face.

One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is. Other languages' communities are more like "This is theeeeeee language of the future, it's super-duper, no question asked, none permitted either!"

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote:
> One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is. Other languages' communities are more like "This is theeeeeee language of the future, it's super-duper, no question asked, none permitted either!"

this is actually one of my favorite parts of the D community too(besides it being extremely friendly/helpful)

bunch of language snobs on this NG ;)

On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:53:06 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:46:48 UTC, Israel wrote:
>> Ruby that compiles?
>
> Yet Rust, Nim and Crystal is a very young languages. And alas, life is not eternal to wait five years of a flourishing language :) There are already ready to be used option. This is D.

Yes, Nim and Crystal have a couple of more years to go. Rust has been backed by Mozilla for 6 years and is being used in production projects, so I would not downplay the potential uptake. I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they are more idealistic than Google.

But the Rust memory model will be hard on many programmers, also game programmers who don't want a "single-threaded memory model", so D can reach a non-Rust segment over time by focusing on ease-of-use. I think D needs to change focus to get there though, like tweaking the semantics to support faster/local GC and perhaps even move to benchmark-driven design.

I don't really think people pick an AoT language because of meta-programming. There are so many semi/dynamic languages with excellent meta-programming-capabilities.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote:
> One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is.

Or perhaps D simply has more flaws to criticize.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote:
> Other languages' communities are more like "This is theeeeeee
> language of the future, it's super-duper, no question asked,
> none permitted either!"

Perhaps you are depicting other communities as a bunch of group-think hipsters because you are insecure about your own community?

Look, I can make baseless accusations too. Wouldn't you agree it would be nicer (and more effective, I imagine) to promote your community by calling attention rather to its positive qualities, rather than demonizing other communities? Especially when your negative portrayals of other communities are not accompanied by any evidence?

I'm sure you're a smart person and will for each of the communities in question be able to find evidence of at least one person who at some point in time acted in the way you suggested. Of course such a thing would not prove that the behaviour is representative of the community, so please don't.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 14:29:51 UTC, Thiez wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote:
>> One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is.
>
> Or perhaps D simply has more flaws to criticize.
>
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote:
>> Other languages' communities are more like "This is theeeeeee
>> language of the future, it's super-duper, no question asked,
>> none permitted either!"
>
> Perhaps you are depicting other communities as a bunch of group-think hipsters because you are insecure about your own community?
>
> Look, I can make baseless accusations too. Wouldn't you agree it would be nicer (and more effective, I imagine) to promote your community by calling attention rather to its positive qualities, rather than demonizing other communities? Especially when your negative portrayals of other communities are not accompanied by any evidence?
>
> I'm sure you're a smart person and will for each of the communities in question be able to find evidence of at least one person who at some point in time acted in the way you suggested. Of course such a thing would not prove that the behaviour is representative of the community, so please don't.

any community dumb enough to buy merchandise with a programming language's name on it is full of idiots.
bye.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:08:08 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> any community dumb enough to buy merchandise with a programming language's name on it is full of idiots.
> bye.

p.s., Nim has the absolute worst community out of any of these languages.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6771453&cid=48860921

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:09:21 UTC, anonymous wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:08:08 UTC, anonymous wrote:
>> any community dumb enough to buy merchandise with a programming language's name on it is full of idiots.
>> bye.
>
> p.s., Nim has the absolute worst community out of any of these languages.
> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6771453&cid=48860921

You're not doing the D community any great credit with this post, either. Try and stay classy.

On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:13:41 UTC, Brian Rogoff wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:09:21 UTC, anonymous wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 15:08:08 UTC, anonymous wrote:
>>> any community dumb enough to buy merchandise with a programming language's name on it is full of idiots.
>>> bye.
>>
>> p.s., Nim has the absolute worst community out of any of these languages.
>> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6771453&cid=48860921
>
> You're not doing the D community any great credit with this post, either. Try and stay classy.

not from the D community.