On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 16:45:44 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 21:49:33 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
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>> Quitting a well paying job at Facebook to peruse a hobby (...)
>
> This is why I thought that those issues with the GC and things like RefCounted could have been fixed meanwhile. I would like to encourage the D people to put priority on fixing everything that is vital for surprise-free development in D. Because those surprises seem to me really being what drives people away from D, which is a pitty as it is really the best thought out language I have seen so far. For people not being C or C++ developers from ground up fixing those issues that pop up in D here and there themselves is simply too effortful ;-).

It's because of the second concept.

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 15:14:17 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
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> I'm just gonna leave this here.
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> http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/03/tesco-buys-into-ad-tech-as-big-data-division-dunnhumby-buys-sociomantic-for-over-100m/
>
> -Steve

And a Big Mac is a healthy alternative to unprocessed organic food because McDonald's has made billions in profit.

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 15:28:37 UTC, Meta wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 21:49:33 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 02:33:41 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a pretty awesome rant! Bill, could you please email me your mailing address? I'd be glad to send you a DConf T-shirt. Thanks! -- Andrei
>>
>> Quitting a well paying job at Facebook to peruse a hobby sounds like something a person going through midlife crisis would do.  You may keep the T-shirt.  I suggest you smoke some DMT (and have a breakthrough), or have a few Ayahuasca sessions.  If that doesn't set you off on a path to the greatest positive impact, then nothing ever will.  Everything you've desired to achieve with D is a construct of your ego, and nothing more.
>
> This is completely over the line. Personal attacks of this nature are absolutely unwarranted and unwelcome here.

He started it.

If I get up on a stage with a grin splitting my face and talk about how great D is, I'm considered a hero.  But if I criticize D for it's flaws, then I'm a troll or someone who is just ranting.  Anybody has the right to criticize D, just as people have the right to praise it.  If D is part of your identity to the point where you can't stand hearing people criticize it and then get offended, then you have issues.  Grow up.

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 17:57:55 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
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> He started it.

>
> Grow up.

Contradiction?

On 4/27/16 1:56 PM, Bill Hicks wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 15:14:17 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>>
>> I'm just gonna leave this here.
>>
>> http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/03/tesco-buys-into-ad-tech-as-big-data-division-dunnhumby-buys-sociomantic-for-over-100m/
>>
>>
>
> And a Big Mac is a healthy alternative to unprocessed organic food
> because McDonald's has made billions in profit.

As far as a business is concerned, McDonalds is not just a "throwaway hobby project". I'll let you continue finding absolutely irrelevant analogies to this if you wish, but I'm out.

-Steve

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 17:57:55 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
>
> If I get up on a stage with a grin splitting my face and talk about how great D is, I'm considered a hero.  But if I criticize D for it's flaws, then I'm a troll or someone who is just ranting.  Anybody has the right to criticize D, just as people have the right to praise it.  If D is part of your identity to the point where you can't stand hearing people criticize it and then get offended, then you have issues.  Grow up.

If you want to be taken seriously then you'll need to furnish us with a real name and stop hiding behind a pseudonym. You've also obviously got plenty of 'issues' that greatly subtract from any useful comment you might otherwise have made, so before investing too much time in unloading here you might care to reflect on the fact that no one can possibly take you seriously.

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 18:16:42 UTC, Joakim wrote:

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> He gave very specific criticism, along with a code sample, then made a prediction, followed by suggesting another competing language that might do better.  None of that is the usual content-free fanboy "bashing."  There is nothing wrong with occasional criticism of the competition, as long as we don't overdo it, either in frequency or by exaggerating.

No, judging a language by the appearance of its syntax *is* fanboy bashing. BTW, some interesting points about Swift made by a Rust designer http://graydon2.dreamwidth.org/5785.html.

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 17:57:55 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 15:28:37 UTC, Meta wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 21:49:33 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 02:33:41 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty awesome rant! Bill, could you please email me your mailing address? I'd be glad to send you a DConf T-shirt. Thanks! -- Andrei
>>>
>>> Quitting a well paying job at Facebook to peruse a hobby sounds like something a person going through midlife crisis would do.  You may keep the T-shirt.  I suggest you smoke some DMT (and have a breakthrough), or have a few Ayahuasca sessions.  If that doesn't set you off on a path to the greatest positive impact, then nothing ever will.  Everything you've desired to achieve with D is a construct of your ego, and nothing more.
>>
>> This is completely over the line. Personal attacks of this nature are absolutely unwarranted and unwelcome here.
>
> He started it.
>
> If I get up on a stage with a grin splitting my face and talk about how great D is, I'm considered a hero.  But if I criticize D for it's flaws, then I'm a troll or someone who is just ranting.  Anybody has the right to criticize D, just as people have the right to praise it.  If D is part of your identity to the point where you can't stand hearing people criticize it and then get offended, then you have issues.  Grow up.

Look, no one here thinks D is perfect. There are some things that I don't like about it myself, but I like it more than everything else. Unless you have criticism that you want to bring up for the sake of discussion, then you *are* ranting.


If you take your first post in this thread and rewrite it so that it starts discussion about those topics, it could be valuable. Nothing is going to be changed unless people start talking about them.

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 at 01:04:21 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2016 at 21:20:04 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
>> [...]
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> To be frank, if you are using D for anything more than a throwaway hobby project, I have to tell you, D is a failed language, so stop wasting your time.  The people who think that one day D is going to replace or threaten C++, or for that matter any other programming language, are delusional.  No offense to all those who have spent great amount of time contributing to D, but people need to accept reality.
>
> [...]

Lol, i hope youre being paid and not doing it for free.

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 20:30:56 UTC, Israel wrote:
> Lol, i hope youre being paid and not doing it for free.

Don't feed the evil.