On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's going on is none of any user business.

Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising.
It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.

On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 at 00:16:52 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
> On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>> Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's going on is none of any user business.
>
> Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising.
> It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.

I understand this is frustrating to see users complain about something when it looks like it's been fixes ages ago when you are the nose into it.

But please understand that as far as D goes, if someone like me is not aware of something, it is fair to assume 99% of the populace isn't either.

This kind of thing as real effect in the real world. In past Nov, I saw 2 professional user drop D because of this kind of problems. These users don't complains and just move on to something else.

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 at 15:10:48 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 at 00:16:52 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
>> On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>> Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's going on is none of any user business.
>>
>> Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising.
>> It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.
>
> I understand this is frustrating to see users complain about something when it looks like it's been fixes ages ago when you are the nose into it.

No, that's understandable. Also the reason why we started to have regular public plannings on D.internals, to make our priorities more transparent and have a place where important topics can be raised.
Just firefighting and hopping from rant to rant is horribly unfocused and an inefficient prioritization strategy.

Even if communication and professionalism is not yet where we want it to be, sentences like

> But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage.

are rather frustrating to read.

On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 11:15:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> On Sun, 2017-01-01 at 16:04 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
> On Debian and Fedora DMD is not an option
> GDC is on Debian but seemingly not on Fedora.

I run DMD and GDC both on fedora.  I'm not sure why you think they're not there.

On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 04:43 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 11:15:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > On Sun, 2017-01-01 at 16:04 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > > On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
> > 
> > On Debian and Fedora DMD is not an option
> > GDC is on Debian but seemingly not on Fedora.
> 
> I run DMD and GDC both on fedora.  I'm not sure why you think they're not there.

DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.

GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.

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On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.
>
> GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.

There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.

osx / linux:
brew install dmd #works
brew install ldc #works

would be nice to have:
brew install gdc


On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
>
>> DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.
>>
>> GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
>>
>
> There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.
>

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 05:44 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.
> > 
> > GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
> 
> There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.

This has no bearing on my original point. DMD is not packaged on Debian and Fedora. GDC is not packaged on Fedora. Thus LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.

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On Friday, January 13, 2017 11:50:25 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 05:44 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> > > DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.
> > >
> > > GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
> >
> > There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.
>
> This has no bearing on my original point. DMD is not packaged on Debian and Fedora. GDC is not packaged on Fedora. Thus LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.

And why on earth does having to download the package from dlang.org rather than getting it from the official Debian or Fedora repos make dmd not practically usable on those distros? Sure, it would be nice if they were in the official repos, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work or isn't a completely viable option on those distros.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 18:56 -0800, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[…]
> And why on earth does having to download the package from dlang.org
> rather
> than getting it from the official Debian or Fedora repos make dmd not
> practically usable on those distros? Sure, it would be nice if they
> were in
> the official repos, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work or
> isn't a
> completely viable option on those distros.

Because it involves downloading packages and running your own local repository from which to install.

For Debian there is D-Apt which is a reasonable half way house (*). Actually the only house given the licencing problems with DMD. For Fedora there is nothing. The enthusiasm displayed for trying to do a Fedora equivalent of D-Apt when I proposed it was so undewhelming, I gave up even starting.

(*) It should be the only way of getting the packages, replacing the
hosting of files on dlang.org.

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