https://twitter.com/yukihiro_matz/status/634386185507311616

Yet another choice D got right "out of the box" :-)

Even Bjarne is coming around to the "Generic all the time" view...

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpSLRpOMJM

Pity that concepts looks to be a very painful syntax for expressing what D does so clearly.

Hurry up Walter, the rest of the world is catching up to you! :-D

(Just joking... things like this clearly show you're leading, and leading in the right direction!)

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 at 22:07:10 UTC, John Carter wrote:
> Pity that concepts looks to be a very painful syntax for expressing what D does so clearly.

I believe this is the main reason people use D.

On 8/20/2015 3:07 PM, John Carter wrote:
> https://twitter.com/yukihiro_matz/status/634386185507311616
>
> Yet another choice D got right "out of the box" :-)
>
> Even Bjarne is coming around to the "Generic all the time" view...
>
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpSLRpOMJM
>
> Pity that concepts looks to be a very painful syntax for expressing what D does
> so clearly.
>
> Hurry up Walter, the rest of the world is catching up to you! :-D
>
> (Just joking... things like this clearly show you're leading, and leading in the
> right direction!)
>

I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++ is rushing to incorporate.

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 at 22:22:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 8/20/2015 3:07 PM, John Carter wrote:
>> https://twitter.com/yukihiro_matz/status/634386185507311616
>>
>> Yet another choice D got right "out of the box" :-)
>>
>> Even Bjarne is coming around to the "Generic all the time" view...
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpSLRpOMJM
>>
>> Pity that concepts looks to be a very painful syntax for expressing what D does
>> so clearly.
>>
>> Hurry up Walter, the rest of the world is catching up to you! :-D
>>
>> (Just joking... things like this clearly show you're leading, and leading in the
>> right direction!)
>>
>
> I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++ is rushing to incorporate.

The problem is that they're incorporating them poorly and ugly. I was watching the video with Bjarne and he brought up the point of how much compiler time is increased by these features. It's something I take for granted in D, I suppose.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:34:08PM +0000, rsw0x via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Thursday, 20 August 2015 at 22:22:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> >On 8/20/2015 3:07 PM, John Carter wrote:
> >>https://twitter.com/yukihiro_matz/status/634386185507311616
> >>
> >>Yet another choice D got right "out of the box" :-)
> >>
> >>Even Bjarne is coming around to the "Generic all the time" view...
> >>
> >>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpSLRpOMJM
> >>
> >>Pity that concepts looks to be a very painful syntax for expressing what D does so clearly.
> >>
> >>Hurry up Walter, the rest of the world is catching up to you! :-D
> >>
> >>(Just joking... things like this clearly show you're leading, and
> >>leading in the right direction!)
> >>
> >
> >I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++ is rushing to incorporate.
> 
> The problem is that they're incorporating them poorly and ugly.
[...]

Is it really a *problem*, though? ;-)  Having C++ play catchup with D, poorly, is good motivation for people to finally give up C++ and adopt D.


T

-- 
Ruby is essentially Perl minus Wall.

On 8/20/2015 3:35 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>> I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++
>>> is rushing to incorporate.
>>
>> The problem is that they're incorporating them poorly and ugly.
> [...]
>
> Is it really a *problem*, though? ;-)  Having C++ play catchup with D,
> poorly, is good motivation for people to finally give up C++ and adopt
> D.

It's a nice validation of the great work we're doing with D.

On 8/21/2015 11:58 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 8/20/2015 3:35 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>>> I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++
>>>> is rushing to incorporate.
>>>
>>> The problem is that they're incorporating them poorly and ugly.
>> [...]
>>
>> Is it really a *problem*, though? ;-)  Having C++ play catchup with D,
>> poorly, is good motivation for people to finally give up C++ and adopt
>> D.
>
> It's a nice validation of the great work we're doing with D.

And that we are doing it properly, first time. Props to you Walter for being the no-man!

On 8/20/2015 7:50 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> And that we are doing it properly, first time. Props to you Walter for being the
> no-man!


We've still made many mistakes. But C++ is a lot more trapped by the past than D is - such as the random size of 'int', the macro preprocessor, syntax, useless const, non-Unicode character sets, declaration ordering, friend declarations, Koenig lookup, etc. At least C++ finally let go of trigraphs, ugh.

I'm still amazed by how even modern C++ code bases embed the trickiest, most bizarre uses of the preprocessor and then build their entire code structure around it.

On 8/21/2015 5:43 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 8/20/2015 7:50 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> And that we are doing it properly, first time. Props to you Walter for
>> being the
>> no-man!
>
>
> We've still made many mistakes. But C++ is a lot more trapped by the
> past than D is - such as the random size of 'int', the macro
> preprocessor, syntax, useless const, non-Unicode character sets,
> declaration ordering, friend declarations, Koenig lookup, etc. At least
> C++ finally let go of trigraphs, ugh.
>
> I'm still amazed by how even modern C++ code bases embed the trickiest,
> most bizarre uses of the preprocessor and then build their entire code
> structure around it.

Yeah I know we have. But unlike C++ with D2 we kinda solidified the idea of serious breaking changes every 5-10 years. Which is kinda important.
They don't do this.

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 at 22:22:26 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> I posted in another thread a while back a list of D features that C++ is rushing to incorporate.

Just found the proposal for transitive const: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/n4388.html