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April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
Does it work with Doxygen tags already in the code?

"Charlie" <charles@jwavro.com> wrote in message 
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> It doesn't even have to be flashy , CSS and a few images can go a 
> long way
> to make it better.  Natural docs ( http://www.naturaldocs.org/ ) 
> produces
> very clean interface and can be used for anything really.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> "Jason Mills" <jmills@cs.mun.ca> wrote in message
> news:d4rcck$1htf$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>> Walter wrote:
>>   > Is a flashy web page really an advantage? I see a lot of 
>> flashy web
>> pages,
>> > and they don't impress me that much. The DM pages are for 
>> > programmers,
> who
>> > (I assume) want to see a straightforward page that loads fast 
>> > and is not
>> > gimmicky. Maybe I'm all wrong about this.
>>
>> Probably no pragmatic advantage. I would say most hard core 
>> programmers
>> are content with the simple/clean web pages as they are. But 
>> there are
>> those (a lot in my experience) that like eye candy. For some 
>> reason it
>> looks and feels more professional, even if it is a facade. If you 
>> want
>> to "sell" a product, wrap it in a nice package.
>>
>> > P.S. I also prefer a smaller number of pages with a lot of text 
>> > to a
> larger
>> > number of small pages. The plethora of small pages means one is
> constantly
>> > clicking and waiting, which interrupts the train of thought.
>> >
>> > I do agree that I am not going to win any awards for my english
> composition,
>> > and if anyone has any suggestions on rewrites for any part of 
>> > the text,
> I'm
>> > all ears!
>> >
>> >
>
>
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
"pragma" <pragma_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message
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> If you don't mind, I'll withold the rest of my critiques, as I'm still
> formulating them.  Plus, I believe that I can probably do the topic more
justice
> by trying a few things offline.  If anything comes of this exercise, I'll
share
> my findings here.

Good. If you like, try mocking up a new front page and let's see how it
looks.
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
Walter wrote:
> "J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:d4n2nl$1hr$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>I think you're right. There's nothing necessarily /wrong/ the Digital
>>Mars website, but a little CSS and a few simple graphical elements can
>>go a long way. Obviously jazzy web design isn't Walter's favorite hobby,
>>but there are many D programmers who are skilled at designing flashy web
>>pages.
> 
> 
> Is a flashy web page really an advantage? I see a lot of flashy web pages,
> and they don't impress me that much. The DM pages are for programmers, who
> (I assume) want to see a straightforward page that loads fast and is not
> gimmicky. Maybe I'm all wrong about this.

"Flashy" may have not been the best word. I'm certainly not suggesting 
that the D pages should be some overly fancy Macromedia flash monstrosity.

I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees 
either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more 
colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view 
webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of 
design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's 
"first impression" would help out.

Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot 
of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from 
the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same 
font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other 
special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there 
could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo 
for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars).

I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with 
what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort 
of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might 
be a little bit of TMI.

I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I 
like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all 
seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage.

Grassroots:
http://www.php.net/
http://www.python.org/
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
http://www.perl.org/

Corporate:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
http://java.sun.com/
http://www.borland.com/delphi/

> P.S. I also prefer a smaller number of pages with a lot of text to a larger
> number of small pages. The plethora of small pages means one is constantly
> clicking and waiting, which interrupts the train of thought.

I don't think that's a problem. That seems like a reasonable view to me.

> I do agree that I am not going to win any awards for my english composition,
> and if anyone has any suggestions on rewrites for any part of the text, I'm
> all ears!

I like your writing style. I'll let you know if I find some mispelled words.

-- 
jcc7
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
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Brad Beveridge schrieb am Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:00:38 +1200:
> Michael Hainze wrote:
>> Simple solution to get D adopted--get Linus Torvalds to convert Linux to D.  Or
>> perhaps some brave soul can fork it and convert the basic Linux toolchain and
>> kernel to D.
>
> Though I think you are jesting, it would be nice if D had a high-profile 
> "killer app" that would make people sit up and take D seriously as a 
> language.
>
> As an aside - how hard would it be to make a toy OS kernel in D.  Or, if 
> not a toy OS an embedded environment?

It's not that difficult.
(I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.)

Thomas


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April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
> 
> It's not that difficult.
> (I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.)
> 
> Thomas
> 
Is that on the web somewhere?  The only thing trusty google could find 
was http://www.geocities.com/one_mad_alien/dkernel.html, which looks a 
little old.

Brad
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
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Brad Beveridge schrieb am Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:06:34 +1200:
>> 
>> It's not that difficult.
>> (I'm currently updateing the dkernel source to the current DMD.)
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
> Is that on the web somewhere?  The only thing trusty google could find 
> was http://www.geocities.com/one_mad_alien/dkernel.html, which looks a 
> little old.

I'll try to setup a public Monotone server in the coming days.

Thomas


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April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
"J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message
news:d4s9m5$2dih$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees
> either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more
> colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view
> webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of
> design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's
> "first impression" would help out.
>
> Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot
> of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from
> the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same
> font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other
> special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there
> could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo
> for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars).
>
> I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with
> what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort
> of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might
> be a little bit of TMI.
>
> I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I
> like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all
> seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage.
>
> Grassroots:
> http://www.php.net/
> http://www.python.org/
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
> http://www.perl.org/
>
> Corporate:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
> http://java.sun.com/
> http://www.borland.com/delphi/

I guess nobody likes Times font! Thanks for putting this together.
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
Walter wrote:
> "J C Calvarese" <jcc7@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:d4s9m5$2dih$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>I'm not asking for a bunch of animated .gif or JavaScript marquees
>>either (let's not!). I just think that the pages could be a little more
>>colorful in general. People have certain expectations when they view
>>webpages, and I think most people today expect a different kind of
>>design than they saw five years ago. Anything we can do to improve D's
>>"first impression" would help out.
>>
>>Right now the D pages are mostly black text on white background (a lot
>>of pages do this because it's easy to read), but they could benefit from
>>the addition of some subtle accents. I think it's currently all the same
>>font, but a second font could be used for major headings and other
>>special occasions. The dividers are nice, but a shaded box here or there
>>could add a lot more color to the design. I didn't see a prominant logo
>>for the language (though there is a nice logo for Digital Mars).
>>
>>I don't think that frames are as cool as they used to be. I agree with
>>what Eric wrote in the other branch. It'd be nice if there was some sort
>>of welcome page that a person views before they see the frames. It might
>>be a little bit of TMI.
>>
>>I've compiled some links to some of our competition for inspiration. I
>>like the grassroots ones better than the corporate ones, but they all
>>seems to be more "modern" looking than D's webpage.
>>
>>Grassroots:
>>http://www.php.net/
>>http://www.python.org/
>>http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
>>http://www.perl.org/
>>
>>Corporate:
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
>>http://java.sun.com/
>>http://www.borland.com/delphi/
> 
> 
> I guess nobody likes Times font! Thanks for putting this together.
> 
> 

Are you willing to let someone redesign the D website, Walter?
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
If your looking for doxygen compatibility, but in my opinion, more 
stylish default output HTML, checkout Doxys 
http://www.doxys.dk/doxys_homepage/.

Matthew wrote:
> Does it work with Doxygen tags already in the code?
> 
> "Charlie" <charles@jwavro.com> wrote in message 
> news:d4rda0$1j75$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>It doesn't even have to be flashy , CSS and a few images can go a 
>>long way
>>to make it better.  Natural docs ( http://www.naturaldocs.org/ ) 
>>produces
>>very clean interface and can be used for anything really.
>>
April 29, 2005
Re: Is D taking hold in the C++ world?
Walter wrote:
> I guess nobody likes Times font! Thanks for putting this together.


Why? I like serif font.
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