"Janice Caron" <caron800@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.110.1204794093.2351.digitalmars-d@puremagic.com...
> **** I DID NOT POST THIS *****
>
>> I dont like bigots or homosexuals , lesbians are alright but those damn Frenchies really tick me off
>
> Yes, it is a forgery. I abhor prejudice and bigotry in any context. As
> far as I'm concerned, the existence of forged posts is one big
> argument in favor of a moderated forum (which I would gladly join in a
> heartbeat).

I think moderation is not worth the trouble. These kind of flame-wars or what-you-call-em happen once a year, and are easily stopped (by ignoring them).

I've been ignoring it pretty well up to now. Moderation would impact everyone, just to prevent that 0.01% of bad posts??

It's like frisking everybody because 1 in a billion might have an object that might be used to do harm... It's all about statistics. Getting killed crossing the street is a statistic too.

(If that isn't enough to start a flame war... :)

L. 

On 06/03/2008, Lionello Lunesu <lionello@lunesu.remove.com> wrote:
> I think moderation is not worth the trouble. These kind of flame-wars or
>  what-you-call-em happen once a year, and are easily stopped (by ignoring
>  them).

I don't think anyone is suggesting moderating /this/ forum. However, there was a suggestion, a while back, to create an /additional/ forum, which would be moderated. Anyone who wanted to stay here, or to post on both, would be welcome to do so. From that standpoint, the creation of a new, moderated forum, seems entirely harmless to me.

"Janice Caron" <caron800@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.112.1204799632.2351.digitalmars-d@puremagic.com...
> On 06/03/2008, Lionello Lunesu <lionello@lunesu.remove.com> wrote:
>> I think moderation is not worth the trouble. These kind of flame-wars or
>>  what-you-call-em happen once a year, and are easily stopped (by ignoring
>>  them).
>
> I don't think anyone is suggesting moderating /this/ forum.

Oops, that's what I've understood..

> However,
> there was a suggestion, a while back, to create an /additional/ forum,
> which would be moderated. Anyone who wanted to stay here, or to post
> on both, would be welcome to do so. From that standpoint, the creation
> of a new, moderated forum, seems entirely harmless to me.

I've never considered it. It might indeed result in a forum with only high quality posts. But who would moderate such a forum? Seems like a full-time job.

L. 

On 06/03/2008, Lionello Lunesu <lionello@lunesu.remove.com> wrote:
> > I don't think anyone is suggesting moderating /this/ forum.
>
> Oops, that's what I've understood..

At the start of this thread, Jarrett Billingsley asked the question: "Is there anything that can be done /short of making the boards moderated?/" (My emphasis). So Jarrett was asking how this forum could be made less trolly /without/ making it moderated.

Sadly, I suspect the answer is nothing. Banning an individual won't help, because individuals are identified solely by the "From" field in an email header, which is easily faked. Thus, a banned individual could just invent a new identity and carry on, and an innocent individual could be impersonated and banned unjustly.

Other forums deal with these problems in different ways, but the most common is to require posters to register using username/password credentials. This doesn't stop anyone from assuming a new identity every time they get banned, but it does prevent impersonation. I don't think that would work here though: There is no practical way (that I know of) to strengthen poster credentials on a newsgroup.

Janice Caron wrote:
> think that would work here though: There is no practical way (that I
> know of) to strengthen poster credentials on a newsgroup.

newsgroup servers usually support logins as well. commercial usenet providers do that. they may also force the name/email for a given login.

> Sadly, I suspect the answer is nothing. Banning an individual won't help, because individuals are identified solely by the "From" field in an email header, which is easily faked. Thus, a banned individual could just invent a new identity and carry on, and an innocent individual could be impersonated and banned unjustly.
>
> Other forums deal with these problems in different ways, but the most common is to require posters to register using username/password credentials. This doesn't stop anyone from assuming a new identity every time they get banned, but it does prevent impersonation. I don't think that would work here though: There is no practical way (that I know of) to strengthen poster credentials on a newsgroup.

X-Trace in the header is an easy way to check for impersonation.
Of course dynamic ips and using different computers make it less then
perfect
but look at the ip from Ty and Trevor > same.
Or doesn't it work that way?

What a kerfuffle about nothing .
The first poster has been having a shot at me since I told him he was wrong on his first post. He seems to be spending a lot of time developing his argument. I could not care less.People have picked it up and run with it , out of boredom I suppose.

I've never met you Janice on here but what you call bigotry is self preservation. We have been using fear of strangers to keep us alive for millions of years. It won't change just because you quaintly would like it to.

It will come to the forefront again soon and those like yourself are already being slaughtered in many parts of Africa now -start with Kenya.

Your neighbour looks at you and distrusts you. The native of most parts of Asia hate you. Be realistic in your approach. Life ain't a bed of roses.
So back to making this friggin Tango/dmd thing work

You understand, Janice; life isn't a bed! (of any type)
Remember that.

On 06/03/2008, Saaa <empty@needmail.com> wrote:
>  Or doesn't it work that way?

Everyone behind a router has the same IP address as everybody else behind the same router. Thus, you could easily, inadvertantly tar everyone in the same company / family / university with the same brush.

Ok, I thought it would only indiscriminate within a company/family (still
bad of course)
but I didn't think about the universities, my bad.