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April 17, 2012
»Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
Another video from Lang.NEXT 2012 went live recently: [1]. Erik 
Meijer is joined by Andrew Adams-Moran, Walter and Andrei to 
discuss various topics surrounding D and Haskell. Most of the 
things covered probably aren't particularly new to most of the 
people here, but publicity for D is alway nice to see (also don't 
miss Andrei's humorous remark on the editor war).

One topic I found very interesting, but which was unfortunately 
barely covered within the constrained time, is the question about 
what »dirty laundry« is there for D, the language, right now 
(i.e. features/aspects that turned out to be more of a liability 
than profit). Sure, bit is an example, but that has been disposed 
of a long time ago. What has piled up in the basket since then?

David


[1] 
http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Alexandrescu-Bright-Meijer-Moran-Pure-versus-Native-and-much-more
April 18, 2012
Re: »Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
David Nadlinger:

> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Alexandrescu-Bright-Meijer-Moran-Pure-versus-Native-and-much-more

Good chat, but too much short :-) Compared to the others Walter 
seems a less noisy person.

D language surely has some things to learn from Haskell (like its 
syntax sugar for tuples usage).

I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be faced 
better. People that see their patches rot in that list probably 
don't feel rewarded enough to submit more patches.

Bye,
bearophile
April 18, 2012
Pull requests processing issue
> I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be faced better.  
> People that see their patches rot in that list probably don't feel  
> rewarded enough to submit more patches.

So true. I won't do any further work if it's in vain anyway.
Also I regularly have to rebase my one cause of conflicts, which is  
annoying.

I really wonder what Walter's doing. Is he still running the whole  
testsuite instead of relying on the autotester?
April 18, 2012
Re: Pull requests processing issue
On 18-04-2012 11:00, Trass3r wrote:
>> I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be faced
>> better. People that see their patches rot in that list probably don't
>> feel rewarded enough to submit more patches.
>
> So true. I won't do any further work if it's in vain anyway.
> Also I regularly have to rebase my one cause of conflicts, which is
> annoying.
>
> I really wonder what Walter's doing. Is he still running the whole
> testsuite instead of relying on the autotester?

Just looking at the auto tester, there seems to be tons of stuff that 
can readily be merged...

-- 
- Alex
April 18, 2012
Re: Pull requests processing issue
On 18/04/12 12:19, Alex Rønne Petersen wrote:
> On 18-04-2012 11:00, Trass3r wrote:
>>> I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be faced
>>> better. People that see their patches rot in that list probably don't
>>> feel rewarded enough to submit more patches.
>>
>> So true. I won't do any further work if it's in vain anyway.
>> Also I regularly have to rebase my one cause of conflicts, which is
>> annoying.
>>
>> I really wonder what Walter's doing. Is he still running the whole
>> testsuite instead of relying on the autotester?
>
> Just looking at the auto tester, there seems to be tons of stuff that
> can readily be merged...
>

One problem is github. IMHO github's pull requests are quite ridiculous, 
there is no way to prioritize them.
There are quite a lot of pull requests in there which are doubtful, 
high-risk, or require a lot of time to evaluate. Currently, we don't 
have a way to deal with them.

But, the announce list is not the appropriate place for this discussion.
Please move to the main list if you want to comment further.
April 18, 2012
Re: »Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
Le 18/04/2012 00:49, David Nadlinger a écrit :
> Another video from Lang.NEXT 2012 went live recently: [1]. Erik Meijer
> is joined by Andrew Adams-Moran, Walter and Andrei to discuss various
> topics surrounding D and Haskell. Most of the things covered probably
> aren't particularly new to most of the people here, but publicity for D
> is alway nice to see (also don't miss Andrei's humorous remark on the
> editor war).
>
> One topic I found very interesting, but which was unfortunately barely
> covered within the constrained time, is the question about what »dirty
> laundry« is there for D, the language, right now (i.e. features/aspects
> that turned out to be more of a liability than profit). Sure, bit is an
> example, but that has been disposed of a long time ago. What has piled
> up in the basket since then?
>
> David
>
>
> [1]
> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Alexandrescu-Bright-Meijer-Moran-Pure-versus-Native-and-much-more
>

yum on debian systems ????
April 18, 2012
Re: Pull requests processing issue
Don Clugston wrote:
> One problem is github. IMHO github's pull requests are quite ridiculous,
> there is no way to prioritize them.

There are issue labels, for example: 
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?labels=Priority+Medium&sort=created&direction=desc&state=open&page=1

Some of them are pull requests. I wonder if it's possible to enable 
issues tab for pulls only.
April 18, 2012
Re: »Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
On 4/17/2012 9:00 PM, bearophile wrote:
> I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be faced better. People
> that see their patches rot in that list probably don't feel rewarded enough to
> submit more patches.


Consider that 8 out of 9 submitted pull requests for dmd have been pulled, and 
the current unpulled list does not include solutions for issues people are 
regarding as critical blockers.
April 18, 2012
Re: »Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
On Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 17:05:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 4/17/2012 9:00 PM, bearophile wrote:
> > I think the problem of ~100 open pull requests needs to be
> faced better. People
> > that see their patches rot in that list probably don't feel
> rewarded enough to
> > submit more patches.
>
>
> Consider that 8 out of 9 submitted pull requests for dmd have 
> been pulled, and the current unpulled list does not include 
> solutions for issues people are regarding as critical blockers.

It might be a good policy to have the submitter (or even 
yourself) close pull requests that aren't ready for merging and 
reopen them once they are ready to be reviewed. This would help 
make the queue more manageable and easier to see what's ready to 
consider and what is not (it's a shame pull requests don't have 
simple tagging/labeling like GitHub's issues).

Regards,
Brad Anderson
April 18, 2012
Re: »Haskell vs. D« backstage discussion featuring Andrei and Walter at Lang.NEXT
On Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 17:05:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> Consider that 8 out of 9 submitted pull requests for dmd have 
> been pulled

Another thing to consider is some of them are waiting
for other reasons.

My pull requests, for example, are waiting on ME to
address a comment and I haven't gotten around to it yet.

I don't think you can tell that by looking at it in github.
Who knows how many others are in a similar condition.
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